Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

I3BrigPvSk said:
An interesting take on the Russian tankers

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Overall there is a lot about the Russia and Russian military that from a Western point of view are hard to understand, I can't think of a Western nation that would put up with these losses without the civilian population going nuts, Russia seems to be an entire nation of depressed sheep.
The military don't seem to give a flying rats arse about its forces or how many are killed it just keeps repeating the same mistakes day after day.
 
When I was in Germany, we were told that if the Soviets came over and attacked, our life expectancy was something like 3 minutes.After watching that I don't think we needed to be worried
 
I have since the day one of this war questioning the Russian military training. I thought they had learn from the problems they had during the three wars in Chechnya and the war in Georgia. They have stopped to send mech units into urban areas so they have learned something.
 
I may as well add this as I pretty much agree with him, especially his comments about Trumps peace plan...

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Mike Pence Says US Troops May Have to Fight If Ukraine Doesn’t Repel Russia

Former Vice President Mike Pence warned this week that if Russian forces are not repelled in Ukraine, U.S. military service members may have to step up to the fight. “I’m convinced that if the Ukrainian military doesn’t stop and repel that Russian invasion, it’s not going to be too long before...
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MontyB said:
I may as well add this as I pretty much agree with him, especially his comments about Trumps peace plan...

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Mike Pence Says US Troops May Have to Fight If Ukraine Doesn’t Repel Russia

Former Vice President Mike Pence warned this week that if Russian forces are not repelled in Ukraine, U.S. military service members may have to step up to the fight. “I’m convinced that if the Ukrainian military doesn’t stop and repel that Russian invasion, it’s not going to be too long before...
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All the countries support Ukraine with military aid want Ukraine to win, but the same countries hesitate and delay the delivery of the tools that can make Ukraine to win the war.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
All the countries support Ukraine with military aid want Ukraine to win, but the same countries hesitate and delay the delivery of the tools that can make Ukraine to win the war.
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Which is why I think it is more accurate to say that these countries don't want Ukraine to lose as they are simply not doing enough to allow Ukraine to win.
I am reading a number of articles where there is a suspicion that North Korea may provide personnel to support Russia, if that is the case then I expect it won't be too long before the west will have to provide some level of troop support as well, something that should be pointed out to Russia.
 
ould Russia be upping the anti? A Russian jet fired an air to air at an RAF recon aircraft which thankfully failed to make contact, while a second ''fell off'' its mounting
 
What can North Korea provide with? I guess ammunition to the artillery and maybe munition to the armoured vehicles. Can NK afford to provide Russia with howitzers and other stuff? Maybe, but the majority of the NK stuff is from the Soviet era or Chinese made copies of the Soviet stuff.

If the NK sends troops to fight in the war? How many of them will defect? The latter can be solved with keeping soldiers families as hostages
 
BritinBritain said:
ould Russia be upping the anti? A Russian jet fired an air to air at an RAF recon aircraft which thankfully failed to make contact, while a second ''fell off'' its mounting
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I am not sure what to make of that incident, the first missile sounds deliberate and the second a comical indicator of the state of the Russian military.
I would assume as long as the British aircraft was in international airspace had the missile hit Article 5 would have applied.

I3BrigPvSk said:
What can North Korea provide with? I guess ammunition to the artillery and maybe munition to the armoured vehicles. Can NK afford to provide Russia with howitzers and other stuff? Maybe, but the majority of the NK stuff is from the Soviet era or Chinese made copies of the Soviet stuff.

If the NK sends troops to fight in the war? How many of them will defect? The latter can be solved with keeping soldiers families as hostages
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North Korea I think is the largest artillery force in the world after Russia so it has a lot to offer potentially, however, several reports indicated a very high failure rate of the shells used to fire on Yeongyeong island in 2010.

One bonus of North Korea sending shells and artillery to Russia is that it may give Japan and South Korea and excuse to supply weapons to Ukraine.
 
MontyB said:
Which is why I think it is more accurate to say that these countries don't want Ukraine to lose as they are simply not doing enough to allow Ukraine to win.
I am reading a number of articles where there is a suspicion that North Korea may provide personnel to support Russia, if that is the case then I expect it won't be too long before the west will have to provide some level of troop support as well, something that should be pointed out to Russia.
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Seem to have received some Cubans, though there is some question of the manner.
 
George said:
Seem to have received some Cubans, though there is some question of the manner.
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It seems a few of them didnt read the fine print in the advert for "Cuban Construction Worker Required" and are now looking for the first flight home.
 
MontyB said:
Everything I read say this is untrue, Poland has stopped the supply of "new" Polish weapons but is still happily sending its old items.
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Sounds good. I read the Ukrainians refused to use the German supplied Leo2 tanks because they didn't work so the Germans were forced to take them back and repair them.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
Sounds good. I read the Ukrainians refused to use the German supplied Leo2 tanks because they didn't work so the Germans were forced to take them back and repair them.
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I also assume this doesn't apply to ammunition, I guess the only question is how much new Polish equipment is Poland giving anyway.
My understanding is that they are passing on old equipment they intend to upgrade or replace anyway.

I do find it interesting that the majority of news outlets pushing this narrative are the right wing ones like Fox and Sky.
I see something ironic in the right supporting Putin while he pushes the line about fighting Nazis and fascism
 
MontyB said:
I also assume this doesn't apply to ammunition, I guess the only question is how much new Polish equipment is Poland giving anyway.
My understanding is that they are passing on old equipment they intend to upgrade or replace anyway.

I do find it interesting that the majority of news outlets pushing this narrative are the right wing ones like Fox and Sky.
I see something ironic in the right supporting Putin while he pushes the line about fighting Nazis and fascism
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This war consume a lot of ammunition and I assume the Poles and others provide Ukraine with it. Poland is buying a lot and their older equipment ends up in Ukraine.

The extreme right and the extreme left are so similar in their perceptions of things and events. Russia perceives everybody who are against them as Nazis or Fascists. They prefer to use the latter term when Nazism shares perceptions with Marxist-Leninist ideology.

Many of the far right movement likes the concept of the strong and powerful leader. That's why they kind of support Putin
 
MontyB said:
I do find it interesting that the majority of news outlets pushing this narrative are the right wing ones like Fox and Sky.
I see something ironic in the right supporting Putin while he pushes the line about fighting Nazis and fascism
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Some on the Right are suckering in on the Russian misinformation campaign & becoming Putin stooges pushing his line. That, plus opposition to things Biden favors. Of course it could be the Democrats started out supporting Ukraine because they had the view that Trump & Putin were "buddies" so they opposed Putin's War. Could be traditional isolationism might be creeping back in.
 
Well all I can say is about f***ing time...

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Ukraine war: US to give Kyiv long-range ATACMS missiles - media reports

Kyiv has long been pushing for ATACMS missiles capable of hitting far behind the front line.
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This looked interesting, are they any good for say winter operations?

www.regjeringen.no

Norway donates cargo carriers to Ukraine

Norway will donate approximately 50 tracked cargo carriers to Ukraine. - These are important to get supplies to areas where there are no roads, says Defense Minister Bjørn Arild Gram.
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MontyB said:
Well all I can say is about f***ing time...

www.bbc.com

Ukraine war: US to give Kyiv long-range ATACMS missiles - media reports

Kyiv has long been pushing for ATACMS missiles capable of hitting far behind the front line.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

This looked interesting, are they any good for say winter operations?

www.regjeringen.no

Norway donates cargo carriers to Ukraine

Norway will donate approximately 50 tracked cargo carriers to Ukraine. - These are important to get supplies to areas where there are no roads, says Defense Minister Bjørn Arild Gram.
www.regjeringen.no www.regjeringen.no
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One day after the first ATACMS is delivered to Ukraine, Putin is going to claim his military already destroyed 60 of them.
 
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