How do we deal with Pirate attacks?

Democracy isn't going to work at all in Somalia right now. What they need is a dictatorship that knows how to bring wealth into Somalia and will actually do it. Hopefully a more secular dictatorship. But that's a tough call too. The only thing that really unites Somalis is religion.

No Democratic entity will have the strength to make a difference in Somalia.
 
Somalia is a lost cause..Just nuke the place and be done with it...
Oh..And then put a hammer to it for good measure..
 
Somalia is a lost cause..Just nuke the place and be done with it...
Oh..And then put a hammer to it for good measure..

Listen this is a forum where everyone behaves civilized your mentality in attacking other people's nationality, advocating mass murder, war crimes, and genocide shows an unstable individual, I will not attack you but I will say this about your statement and how I judge a person who comes and makes such remarks... Here it goes this is how I judge you by your statements: You are such that you are a sadist, you have no emotional sympathy or empathy. You derive pleasure from cruelty manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, and amoral behavior without remorse. Your criminal thinking puts you on par with the likes of Manson, Bundy, Dahmer, McVeigh, Hitler, and Milosevic. Going by your statement you come of as more deranged than these extremists the world is fighting today, for a person to advocate the the total extermination of whole race of human beings is a testament to their character which makes you no better than Hitler.

The psychopath is defined by a psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Now your advocacy of extermination of a whole nation fits the psychpathic tendency to act aggressively and on impulse obtaining gratification in the criminal act and your inability to learn from past mistakes and actions of other psychopaths and seek help. Please seek help for the safety of society.
 
While linked, the issues of a failed state and the root causes of crime are separate from the fact that as I write this, we have pirates cruising the Gulf of Aden looking for victims.

I don't have any easy answers for the remediation of a failed state in a violent part of the world (if the answer was easy, everyone would know it by now) so I'd just as soon focus on what to do to keep the unfriendly zodes and their motherships at bay.

I won't go as far as KJ, but I'm up for discussing the merits of escort vessels vs. fire teams vs. armed crews vs. crying like an infant and expecting thing to get better if you just whine enough.
 
" for a person to advocate the the total extermination of whole race of human beings is a testament to their character which makes you no better than Hitler.
Now your advocacy of extermination of a whole nation fits the psychpathic tendency to act aggressively and on impulse obtaining gratification in the criminal act and your inability to learn from past mistakes and actions of other psychopaths and seek help. Please seek help for the safety of society. "

That sounds like a description of the current President of Iran to me.
 
That sounds like a description of the current President of Iran to me.

Well Del boy this is a thread about the Somali Pirates and I won't succumb to your diversion to turn it into an Iranian thread. If you want to discuss this take it to one of the Iranian threads because I won't entertain you with the response you are looking for in this thread.
 
I am looking for no response from you ; I quoted your own words which you aimed at a fellow member .

My statement simply stands on its own merit for all to see.


As for Somalia and its pirates, of course the problems are symptomatic of disastrous politics. If I were a representative of such, I would not be keen to throw stones at other countries.

Somalia is the world’s worst humanitarian disaster. More than 3.2 million Somalis – 40% of the population – are dependent on external assistance, and hundreds of thousands of people have fled the country to seek refuge in neighboring countries.
There are approximately 1.3 million internally displaced people in Somalia and over 400,000 Somali refugees in neighboring countries. While the situation has continuously deteriorated in the past two years, the last months have seen worsening indicators, including high numbers of refugees going to Kenya and Yemen.
Exacerbating the problem has been the extreme difficulty in providing assistance. Somalia has always been a challenging operating environment for aid agencies, but it has now become one of the most dangerous places for humanitarian workers, alongside Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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Democracy isn't going to work at all in Somalia right now. What they need is a dictatorship that knows how to bring wealth into Somalia and will actually do it. Hopefully a more secular dictatorship. But that's a tough call too. The only thing that really unites Somalis is religion.

No Democratic entity will have the strength to make a difference in Somalia.

Democracy has worked before in Somali in the first decade of its independence when the President was assassinated by thugs and the army headed by Siad Barre seized control 1969-1991. He instituted Scientific Socialism and modeled the country after China and early Soviet Union as as an example of how it is possible to take a third world country, institute nation wide development programs and bring it to developed standard, he wanted to create Somalia's own great leap forward.

Somalia has a history of both democracy and secular dictatorship, they just need a strong leader or group to rid the country from the warlords and pirates, the Somali people are tired of war and are ready to rebuild they are just being held hostage by these armed thugs. Somalia has proven in the past that they are capable of building a stable state and running it sufficiently, until these thugs overthrew the central government in 1991.

"In 1969, during the power vacuum that followed the assassination of Somalia's second president, Abdirashid Ali Shermarke, the military staged a coup on October 21, 1969 (the day after Shermarke's funeral), and took over office. Barre was to rule the nation for the next twenty-two years." Wiki

"One of the earliest initiatives of Barre's regime was to introduce the Somali language as the official language of education. All education in government schools now had to be conducted in Somali. This was necessary, as there was a growing rift between those who spoke the colonial languages, and those who did not. Many of the high ranking positions in the government were given to those people that spoke either Italian or English. To keep everyone on an even playing field, the Somali language was finally written down. The Latin alphabet was selected as the means for writing the language. The establishment of the Somali language as a national language created a new confidence in the masses. In 1972, the second anniversary of the military government, all government employees were ordered to learn to write and read Af Soomaali within six months." Wiki

"Siad Barre was a hands on leader from early on. Achievements included creating over two dozen factories of mass production such as mills in Balad, Marerey, sugar cane processing facilities, the first meat processing house for local consumption and exporting markets in addition to many other successful industrialization endeavors." Wiki

"Another notable massive public service campaign by the Barre government involved the resettlement of drought-affected people in the northern regions of Somalia. The drought, which occurred in 1974, was known as the Abaartii Dabadheer, roughly translated as the Lingering Drought. The Soviet Union, which at the time maintained strategic relations with the Siad Barre government, had airlifted thousands of people from the devastated regions of Hobyo and Ainaba. New settlements of small villages were created in the Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba regions in such settlements as Dajuuma, Sablaale and Kuntuwaareey. The Horogle settlement in Middle Jubba was later added. These new settlements were known as the Danwadaagaha or Collective Settlements. The transplanted families were introduced to farming, a change from their traditional pastoralist lifestyle of livestock herding." Wiki
 
I am looking for no response from you ; I quoted your own words which you aimed at a fellow member .

My statement simply stands on its own merit for all to see.

Yes you did quote my own words but you attempted take my words and use them to divert the subject of the thread from Somalia to Iran, which is why I said I won't respond and turn this thread into an Iranian debate and that if you wanted to discuss it then take it to one of the Iran thread. Their was nothing wrong in my statement as everyone can see I merely said this is not the thread to discuss Iran.

Also before you talk you should look at the statement this fellow member made! Simple I did not attack him, I dissected his statement and judge his statement how I view someone who makes such statements as exterminating a whole race and nation.
 
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Heres a though on how to deal with the pirates, anybody remember what a battleship looks like? Set one of those off the coast and fire a few well placed 16" rounds into a pirate camp and watch the fun.


(Somalia has a history of both democracy and secular dictatorship, they just need a strong leader or group to rid the country from the warlords and pirates, the Somali people are tired of war and are ready to rebuild they are just being held hostage by these armed thugs. Somalia has proven in the past that they are capable of building a stable state and running it sufficiently, until these thugs overthrew the central government in 1991.)

And yet they don't.
 
Maybe one day. I'm still 27 and have plenty of years left to severely f*ck things up.

It's not really about being smart or anything, it's just about being able to call bull sh*t on bull sh*t. Once that's done, things look a lot clearer.
 
Li I will not attack you but I will say this about your statement and how I judge a person who comes and makes such remarks... Here it goes this is how I judge you by your statements: You are such that you are a sadist, you have no emotional sympathy or empathy. You derive pleasure from cruelty manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, and amoral behavior without remorse. Your criminal thinking puts you on par with the likes of Manson, Bundy, Dahmer, McVeigh, Hitler, and Milosevic. Going by your statement you come of as more deranged than these extremists the world is fighting today, for a person to advocate the the total extermination of whole race of human beings is a testament to their character which makes you no better than Hitler.

Actually, you lot are making a good job of it yourselves..
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/20070105-somalia.php

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/somalia.htm

At that rate, you are going to get it done on your own.
Just leave the western ships passing your sliver of sand alone and keep killing eachother in your own land and this thing will have to get sorted sooner or later huh?

Now you compare McVeigh with Hitler?
Facinating you forgot, Lenin, Stalin, Polpot and all the other leftist dictators..
Makes one wonder is you condone their actions?

We have talked about this before you and I.
The last time you came on here spewing **** about it being the western worlds fault that Somalis kill eachother.
But that time you blamed oilcompanys and people calling Somalis skinnies.

Go back to school kid.
You need it.

KJ sends..
 
That France24 report is really enlightening.
What's been missing from the conversation is the Ethiopian take on all of this and it appears that they are very nervous about having an extremist Islamic influence in the Horn of Africa. Considering the conduct of Islamic fundamentalists around the world, this is not surprising.
 
Yes you did quote my own words but you attempted take my words and use them to divert the subject of the thread from Somalia to Iran, which is why I said I won't respond and turn this thread into an Iranian debate and that if you wanted to discuss it then take it to one of the Iran thread. Their was nothing wrong in my statement as everyone can see I merely said this is not the thread to discuss Iran.

Also before you talk you should look at the statement this fellow member made! Simple I did not attack him, I dissected his statement and judge his statement how I view someone who makes such statements as exterminating a whole race and nation.

No attempt at diversion - I merely noted that your 'judgement' sounded like a very apt description of The President of Iran and his statements. End of...................

-You directed me to subject Somalia, so perhaps you would care to comment on the Somali input of my post, repeated here for your benefit:-

As for Somalia and its pirates, of course the problems are symptomatic of disastrous politics. If I were a representative of such, I would not be keen to throw stones at other countries


Somalia is the world’s worst humanitarian disaster. More than 3.2 million Somalis – 40% of the population – are dependent on external assistance, and hundreds of thousands of people have fled the country to seek refuge in neighboring countries.
There are approximately 1.3 million internally displaced people in Somalia and over 400,000 Somali refugees in neighboring countries. While the situation has continuously deteriorated in the past two years, the last months have seen worsening indicators, including high numbers of refugees going to Kenya and Yemen.
Exacerbating the problem has been the extreme difficulty in providing assistance. Somalia has always been a challenging operating environment for aid agencies, but it has now become one of the most dangerous places for humanitarian workers, alongside Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Actually, you lot are making a good job of it yourselves..
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/20070105-somalia.php

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/somalia.htm

At that rate, you are going to get it done on your own.
Just leave the western ships passing your sliver of sand alone and keep killing eachother in your own land and this thing will have to get sorted sooner or later huh?

Now you compare McVeigh with Hitler?
Facinating you forgot, Lenin, Stalin, Polpot and all the other leftist dictators..
Makes one wonder is you condone their actions?

We have talked about this before you and I.
The last time you came on here spewing **** about it being the western worlds fault that Somalis kill eachother.
But that time you blamed oilcompanys and people calling Somalis skinnies.

Go back to school kid.
You need it.

KJ sends..

Listen we all can see your statement it is a testament to your mental capacity and your criminal tendencies. You really need to seek help. I don't need to go back to school, I have done enough school in my life time and got myself an education. You seem to be the one that needs to go back to school because any educated and sane person would not be making the kind of statements you are making. I was more so comparing Mcveigh and Hitler to a person who would make such statements as you have made and how they both had no empathy while they carried out mass murder, and as everyone can see you are advocating mass murder, extermination, and wholesale genocide.

Your statements have no value, your remarks speak for themselve, please take your garbage somewhere else.
 
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