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UnitedSomalia said:
Listen we all can see your statement it is a testament to your mental capacity and your criminal tendencies. You really need to seek help. I don't need to go back to school, I have done enough school in my life time and got myself an education. You seem to be the one that needs to go back to school because any educated and sane person would not be making the kind of statements you are making. I was more so comparing Mcveigh and Hitler to a person who would make such statements as you have made and how they both had no empathy while they carried out mass murder, and as everyone can see you are advocating mass murder, extermination, and wholesale genocide.

Your statements have no value, your remarks speak for themselve, please take your garbage somewhere else.
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Wow, maybe your education has actually made you dumber then last time?
Atleast then you tried to keep up with the threads and rebuke faulty information about somalia.
Not much of that going on this time around huh?
Now you just toss around words like mass murder and genocide like you know what you are talking about.

I did supply you with media sources about the "ongoing genocide" in Somalia, and the civilwar that has been ongoing since 1991 when the last dictator went on his last long march.
You have not even made an attempt to rebuke these sources.
Could it be that you don´t really know what´s going on in Somalia these days?
Cumfy behind your desk typing away screaming genocide and massmurder while taking another zip of your coke?

I´ll give you the benefit of a doubt.

Please outlay a plan to end the civil war, end piracy and keep a good working relationship with the neighbouring nations.
And do that without western involvement please.

Because I have had mates with boots in the sand for operation restore hope, they worked at the field hospital that treated both military and civilian wounds..Nomatter if they had been brought on by riviling clan fire or not.
The bad part about Somalia is this.
Everyone I have talked to who have BEEN ON THE GROUND there are saying it´s a lost cause.
Not you, you obviously have a grand plan.
It will be very nice to hear all about it..

KJ sends..
 
KJ said:
Wow, maybe your education has actually made you dumber then last time?
Atleast then you tried to keep up with the threads and rebuke faulty information about somalia.
Not much of that going on this time around huh?
Now you just toss around words like mass murder and genocide like you know what you are talking about.

I did supply you with media sources about the "ongoing genocide" in Somalia, and the civilwar that has been ongoing since 1991 when the last dictator went on his last long march.
You have not even made an attempt to rebuke these sources.
Could it be that you don´t really know what´s going on in Somalia these days?
Cumfy behind your desk typing away screaming genocide and massmurder while taking another zip of your coke?

I´ll give you the benefit of a doubt.

Please outlay a plan to end the civil war, end piracy and keep a good working relationship with the neighbouring nations.
And do that without western involvement please.

Because I have had mates with boots in the sand for operation restore hope, they worked at the field hospital that treated both military and civilian wounds..Nomatter if they had been brought on by riviling clan fire or not.
The bad part about Somalia is this.
Everyone I have talked to who have BEEN ON THE GROUND there are saying it´s a lost cause.
Not you, you obviously have a grand plan.
It will be very nice to hear all about it..

KJ sends..
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Listen if you read all my statements in this thread I have had intellectual discussions about Somalia with others, the reason why I refuse to discuss it with you is because I don't need to have an intellectual discussion with someone who has already shown and made know their complete ignorance, contempt and criminal tendencies towards humanity. I don't need to have discussions about my country with someone who has already stated that they want to destroy my whole race and wipe my people of the face of the earth. Why should I discuss my country about someone who wants commit wholesale extermination of Somalia?

I am not the one that is at a loss for intelligence, please go take your hate spewing, ignorant, criminal, psychopathic statements somewhere else.
 
It's his own way of saying that part of the world is nothing but trouble with nothing to gain and he can't believe we're wasting time and resources dealing with your crap that seems to spill over and piss everyone off now and then.
 
United Somalia


Does that mean you are at a loss to respond sensibly to KJ? Hit a brick wall there have you ? You appear to be clinging to a life-belts to avoid proper responses.
 
Listen Del boy, I debate to those who are sane enough to maintain a conversation without spewing that extermination needs to be carried out on a race and a nation. I have responded to others in this thread but seeing the complete disdain you and KJ have for my country I don't need to debate you both. You both need to be locked up in a psychiatric facility with like minded psychopaths.

If the language KJ spoke against my country was spoken against another country or race I would see red flairs go up and everyone in this forum wanting to have that persons head on a platter, but its funny how his language against my country doesn't illicit the same reaction. Del boy if KJ spoke that language against your nationality you would understand my sensitivity and reaction.
 
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Because Somalia at this time is a complete hell hole without any glimmer of hope.
But yeah the language used against your country was a bit overboard. True perhaps, but a bit overboard.
 
Yes it was overboard and this is suppose to be a forum where members behave with civility, ethic and morals. It doesn't matter how Somalia is right now, no decent human being would advocate for the annihilation of other human beings. And honestly if that same language was used against another nationality no one would remain silent in this forum everyone would be out for blood.
 
UnitedSomalia said:
Listen Del boy, I have responded to others in this thread but seeing the complete disdain you and KJ have for my country I don't need to debate you both. You both need to be locked up in a psychiatric facility with like minded psychopaths.

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OK United Somalia - I must ask you to justify your last statement, right here and now on this forum by quoting where I have said anything to deserve such an outrageous claim on this thread. Let us see your proof.

So much for civility, ethics and morals!

Furthermore - I have indeed not shown complete disdain for Somalia, but merely quoted the report from Refugee International.

You, on the other hand, have failed to respond except to dish out abuse.
 
UnitedSomalia said:
If the language KJ spoke against my country was spoken against another country or race I would see red flairs go up and everyone in this forum wanting to have that persons head on a platter, but its funny how his language against my country doesn't illicit the same reaction. Del boy if KJ spoke that language against your nationality you would understand my sensitivity and reaction.
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The one thing you have failed to see is this.
I don´t speak that way of other nations..
Want to take a stab at why?
I´ll give you a hint... No other nations have ejected two UN missions to help their people.
No other nations (or atleast very few) are killing off their own inhabitants like a life were going on holesale all the while accepting ALOT of aid from the rest of the world.
No other nations let criminals from their nation reek havoc amongst unarmed civilian vessels passing their cost.
This makes it our problem..And as being nice to Somalia didn´t work the first two times, how can you expect the rest of the world to keep coming back for a third attempt in being nice?
Sooner or later if you yank a tigers tail you ARE going to get f**king bit.
Not rocket science.


Now if you want to rebuke this be my guest.
If you can do it without using some cryptic reference to Hitler or use the words genocide and/or massmurder you might get another 50 collage credits.

Oh and don´t lump Del Boy in with me.
He is his own man and does not stand for my opinions.


I for one have my own opinions that I have carefully concidered after collecting facts from men on the ground, not opinions I have had handed to me by the Islamic courts or some left ing college professor.

So, want to rebuke any of the facts I have posted?
Want to let us hear your plan?

The crappy thing is though..It does matter how Somalia are RIGHT NOW.
This whole thread started by the way that Somalia are RIGHT NOW.
Lawless with an ongoing civilwar.

Your move, wanna stand in the corner and stomp your angry little schoolboy foot or do you want to discuss the issues at hand?

KJ sends..
 
Del Boy said:
OK United Somalia - I must ask you to justify your last statement, right here and now on this forum by quoting where I have said anything to deserve such an outrageous claim on this thread. Let us see your proof.

So much for civility, ethics and morals!

Furthermore - I have indeed not shown complete disdain for Somalia, but merely quoted the report from Refugee International.

You, on the other hand, have failed to respond except to dish out abuse.
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I'll justify it and this is what you said "Does that mean you are at a loss to respond sensibly to KJ? Hit a brick wall there have you ? You appear to be clinging to a life-belts to avoid proper responses."

The reason why I said what I said was because you are posting in this forum taunting me to respond while you are encouraging and condoning KJ's language. By your own remarks you are giving a nod to KJ and he like a little kid is feeding of that and behaving accordingly. I would have answered your questions if you weren't coming at me in a taunting manner all the while condoning his remarks, and that is not the way to behave if you want to have an intellectual debate with someone. If you had honest and clear intentions you would have recognized KJ's remarks as the criminal thoughts they are.
 
KJ said:
The one thing you have failed to see is this.
I don´t speak that way of other nations..
Want to take a stab at why?
I´ll give you a hint... No other nations have ejected two UN missions to help their people.
No other nations (or atleast very few) are killing off their own inhabitants like a life were going on holesale all the while accepting ALOT of aid from the rest of the world.
No other nations let criminals from their nation reek havoc amongst unarmed civilian vessels passing their cost.
This makes it our problem..And as being nice to Somalia didn´t work the first two times, how can you expect the rest of the world to keep coming back for a third attempt in being nice?
Sooner or later if you yank a tigers tail you ARE going to get f**king bit.
Not rocket science.


Now if you want to rebuke this be my guest.
If you can do it without using some cryptic reference to Hitler or use the words genocide and/or massmurder you might get another 50 collage credits.

Oh and don´t lump Del Boy in with me.
He is his own man and does not stand for my opinions.


I for one have my own opinions that I have carefully concidered after collecting facts from men on the ground, not opinions I have had handed to me by the Islamic courts or some left ing college professor.

So, want to rebuke any of the facts I have posted?
Want to let us hear your plan?

The crappy thing is though..It does matter how Somalia are RIGHT NOW.
This whole thread started by the way that Somalia are RIGHT NOW.
Lawless with an ongoing civilwar.

Your move, wanna stand in the corner and stomp your angry little schoolboy foot or do you want to discuss the issues at hand?

KJ sends..
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Well no decent human being advocates for mass murder of other human beings, which makes you no better than lets say Hitler, I see nuking Somali is your final solution to the Somali problem huh?

Listen you don't hold any moral high ground, you are what you say. You speak about others maybe its a time you should take a deep look at yourself, you make despicable remarks and you think you are any better? We have seen the likes of you and your statements have the trademark of a psychopath and a sadist.

Everyone can see what you said and it is a testament to your character. I will not debate you as you wish because a person does not debate someone who wishes to annihilate his race.
 
I think you misunderstand the concept of "dark humor". KJ is in the military. We rely on joking about death to keep us sane in the face of getting shot at. Civilians such as yourself often do not understand. I sincerely doubt that KJ truly wishes to kill everybody in Somalia. It's a grim way of saying "it's a lost cause".
 
Still c/Commander regardless if he is in the military or not it does not excuse what he said, I don't think you would excuse him if he said that about another country or even your country and I believe you would want him reprimanded. Their are certain lines that should not be crossed and he crossed that line.
 
I would not want him reprimanded at all, nor did he cross any lines in my opinion. Maybe it's a cultural difference, but I'm fairly sure he's not serious. Nor does his country have nuclear weapons even if he was.
 
To be brutally honest, I feel that KJ has merely said what much of the rest of the world thinks. Perhaps a little bluntly, but I have no doubt of his honesty in this matter. The problems within Somalia will not be helped by "pussy footing" around the truth.

United Somalia, you must start to look at this from a larger perspective than you do at the moment. The truth is that the rest of the world sees Somalia as a "basket case" where most of it's problems are self generated. Too many in your country live with a medieval mindset, with tribalism, war lords and pirates able to do as they wish, and those who would resist being murdered.
 
Almost every nation had a civil war it is a natural process nations go through in the end it brings a nation closer together to not return to that dark page in their history. America, Spain, France, Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea, Sudan, Lebanon, Turkey, Cuba etc all had civil wars and Iraq is going through one now so Somalia is not the only one.... Still what he said was wrong, people that make such remarks are dangerous and history has shown that. I been taught don't say something if you don't mean it.
 
UnitedSomalia said:
Almost every nation had a civil war it is a natural process nations go through in the end it brings a nation closer together to not return to that dark page in their history. America, Spain, France, Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea, Sudan, Lebanon, Turkey, Cuba etc all had civil wars and Iraq is going through one now so Somalia is not the only one.... Still what he said was wrong, people that make such remarks are dangerous and history has shown that. I been taught don't say something if you don't mean it.
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You just proved one of my points..

You just said that the genocide going on in Somalia is a natural process?
That makes you worse then me, you are hypocritical about it as well.

A civil war is far from the only means to build a nation.
The ones you mentioned has, but there are a lot of civilized nations that have not resorted to clanfighting to become successful nations.
That exact kind of clanrivalry thinking is infact the reason why Somalia can not move forward as a nation.

Is the footstomping over now so you can behave as an adult?

KJ sends..
 
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I know that this is a generalisation, but the way i see it is,... If you want to behave like savages, we will treat you like savages. We have tried to aid your people, but those in power are not interested in feeding the poor, they want military weapons and money which they then use to kill their own people. Most Western countries have really had enough.

The ball is now in Somalia's court.
 
UnitedSomalia said:
I'll justify it and this is what you said "Does that mean you are at a loss to respond sensibly to KJ? Hit a brick wall there have you ? You appear to be clinging to a life-belts to avoid proper responses."

The reason why I said what I said was because you are posting in this forum taunting me to respond while you are encouraging and condoning KJ's language. By your own remarks you are giving a nod to KJ and he like a little kid is feeding of that and behaving accordingly. I would have answered your questions if you weren't coming at me in a taunting manner all the while condoning his remarks, and that is not the way to behave if you want to have an intellectual debate with someone. If you had honest and clear intentions you would have recognized KJ's remarks as the criminal thoughts they are.
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You call this nonsense a justification? I said nothing about encouraging and condoning KJ's language. You just do not appear able to handle any question I put to you, so do not label me as dishonest .

Quote:

"You both need to be locked up in a psychiatric facility with like minded psychopaths."

If you think you have justified this accusation against me, think again, you stupid man.

I am quite capable of dishing out abuse if that is all you understand.
 
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senojekips said:
I know that this is a generalisation, but the way i see it is,... If you want to behave like savages, we will treat you like savages. We have tried to aid your people, but those in power are not interested in feeding the poor, they want military weapons and money which they then use to kill their own people. Most Western countries have really had enough.

The ball is now in Somalia's court.
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Im done debating with KJ and Del boy but I will answer you Seno and here is my point: Listen what is happening in Somalia is awful thing, if Western countries don't want to get involved they don't have to I personally would say let it be solved internally let a strong group like UIC chase away these warlords and pirates. It was being done in 2006 when all these warlords and pirates were on the run, dead or behind bars until the West got involved with their Ethiopian stooge and UIC was overthrown and these pirates you all scream about came back. You made your own bed now lay in it. Thank America and Ethiopia that the warlords and pirates made a come back because they no longer have to fear the UIC.
 
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