WWII Quiz
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Ok well here goes...
HMNZS Moa and Kiwi were involved in an incident in January 1943 name the other vessel involved and the outcome.
perseus
Active member
Ok well here goes...
HMNZS Moa and Kiwi were involved in an incident in January 1943 name the other vessel involved and the outcome.
The Kiki rammed and wrecked The Japanese submarine I-1
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
I will give you half of it, they did ram (although in New Zealand records it was the HMNZS Moa that is credited with the actual ramming) and destroy the I-1, but what was the outcome or significance of the action?
perseus
Active member
Interesting, because most sources suggest it was the Kiwi, you would think they would have got that bit right. This is a fuller account
On the night of 29 January 1943 the Japanese submarine I-1 was under the command of Lieutenant Commander Eiichi Sakamoto off the Kamimbo Bay area (near Tambea or Cape Esperance), west of Honiara, when it was detected by the New Zealand corvettes HMNZS Kiwi and HMNZS Moa...... As the New Zealanders approached, the phosphorescent outline of the submarine could be clearly seen so the Kiwi dropped six depth-charges. Shortly after, it dropped another six and the submarine was forced to the surface with its electric motors apparently disabled. Switching on its diesels, the I-1 made a run for it and a surface battle ensured, with all three vessels exchanging gunfire. During the short battle, the submarine altered course to starboard just before the Kiwi rammed it on the port side abaft of the conning tower. Numerous hits were landed at this time. The Kiwi again rammed the submarine and an officer, probably the Japanese Captain, was seen to be hit by machine-gun fire. A third ramming damaged both vessels and the Moa took up the chase, following the submarine while continually firing its gun. More than two hours after the first attack, the I-1 hit a reef that was to become its final resting place. The next morning revealed the I-1 projecting about 40 to 50 feet out of the water at an angle of 45 degrees
http://www.michaelmcfadyenscuba.info/viewpage.php?page_id=383
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Yep it is an odd one but you have missed the important thing that resulted from this event.
There is something else that happened after the submarine came to rest on the reef.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Indeed that is what I was looking for, it is believed that this information lead to the deciphering of Admiral Yamamoto's flight plans and subsequent death in April 1943.
Anyway over to who ever wants the next question.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Hmm it is an intriguing question because it lacks a year to give it a fixed point, however there is something that cropped up earlier today.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Jan 27th, 2009 ordered officials to determine the precise Soviet death toll in World War II.
Medvedev orders precise Soviet WWII death toll
January 27th, 2009 @ 3:36pm
By IRINA TITOVA
Associated Press Writer
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday ordered officials to determine the precise Soviet death toll in World War II as the nation marked the 65th anniversary of the battle that broke the Nazi siege of Leningrad.
Russia, which suffered hugely in the conflict it calls the Great Patriotic War, places substantial importance on commemorating its sacrifices. An estimated 27 million Soviet civilians and soldiers died in the war. Much of the western part of the country was ravaged during four years of epic battles.
"Data about our losses haven't been revealed yet," Medvedev said at a meeting with officials and veterans in the Konstantin Palace near St. Petersburg. "We must determine the historical truth."
Medvedev said that a special panel involving officials from various government agencies will be created for the purpose.
He said that more than 2.4 million people are still officially considered missing in action. Of the 9.5 million buried in mass graves, 6 million are unidentified, he said. Remains are still being found across western Russia and other ex-Soviet republics.
The meeting marked the anniversary of the battle that broke the siege of Leningrad on Jan. 27, 1944. The siege killed an estimated 1.5 million people.
Roza Ivanova, a 78-year old survivor who was in Medvedev's audience at a separate meeting with veterans later in the day, said she survived the siege thanks to animal skins her father brought from the tannery where he worked.
"We cooked a sort of stew out of those skins. The stew made of pork skin was especially good," Ivanova, who was 10 years old when Nazi troops closed in on the city, told The Associated Press.
Desperate for heat but without fuel, her family stoked their small cast-iron wood stove with shards of furniture and books.
"I remember how we wanted to eat and live then!" she said. "God save anyone from such experience."
Yulia Likhova, 72, who was 5 when the siege began, said she remembers a seaman sharing a loaf of bread with her and her four siblings. "It was such unbelievable happiness," she said.
To avoid starvation, Likhova said, she and her family boiled leather belts and drank a kind of broth made by boiling earth they gathered near a defunct food-storage warehouse where sugar had melted during the fire that destroyed it.
She and her siblings survived, but her mother and grandparents starved to death.
Medvedev used the occasion to condemn what he described as efforts to rehabilitate Nazis in some neighboring nations. Russia has harshly criticized authorities in the ex-Soviet Baltic nations of Estonia and Latvia for allowing gatherings of local veterans of Nazi SS units.
"We must toughen our stance on the issue," Medvedev said. "There is no room here for delicate diplomatic wording. Our stance must be more combative."
Medvedev also vowed military spending plans would not be cut as a result of the current financial crisis, and urged the government to provide free apartments to some 50,000 war veterans before Russia marks the 65th anniversary of the end of the fighting in Europe next year.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=235&sid=5431570
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Jan 27th, 2009 ordered officials to determine the precise Soviet death toll in World War II.
Medvedev orders precise Soviet WWII death toll
January 27th, 2009 @ 3:36pm
By IRINA TITOVA
Associated Press Writer
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday ordered officials to determine the precise Soviet death toll in World War II as the nation marked the 65th anniversary of the battle that broke the Nazi siege of Leningrad.
Russia, which suffered hugely in the conflict it calls the Great Patriotic War, places substantial importance on commemorating its sacrifices. An estimated 27 million Soviet civilians and soldiers died in the war. Much of the western part of the country was ravaged during four years of epic battles.
"Data about our losses haven't been revealed yet," Medvedev said at a meeting with officials and veterans in the Konstantin Palace near St. Petersburg. "We must determine the historical truth."
Medvedev said that a special panel involving officials from various government agencies will be created for the purpose.
He said that more than 2.4 million people are still officially considered missing in action. Of the 9.5 million buried in mass graves, 6 million are unidentified, he said. Remains are still being found across western Russia and other ex-Soviet republics.
The meeting marked the anniversary of the battle that broke the siege of Leningrad on Jan. 27, 1944. The siege killed an estimated 1.5 million people.
Roza Ivanova, a 78-year old survivor who was in Medvedev's audience at a separate meeting with veterans later in the day, said she survived the siege thanks to animal skins her father brought from the tannery where he worked.
"We cooked a sort of stew out of those skins. The stew made of pork skin was especially good," Ivanova, who was 10 years old when Nazi troops closed in on the city, told The Associated Press.
Desperate for heat but without fuel, her family stoked their small cast-iron wood stove with shards of furniture and books.
"I remember how we wanted to eat and live then!" she said. "God save anyone from such experience."
Yulia Likhova, 72, who was 5 when the siege began, said she remembers a seaman sharing a loaf of bread with her and her four siblings. "It was such unbelievable happiness," she said.
To avoid starvation, Likhova said, she and her family boiled leather belts and drank a kind of broth made by boiling earth they gathered near a defunct food-storage warehouse where sugar had melted during the fire that destroyed it.
She and her siblings survived, but her mother and grandparents starved to death.
Medvedev used the occasion to condemn what he described as efforts to rehabilitate Nazis in some neighboring nations. Russia has harshly criticized authorities in the ex-Soviet Baltic nations of Estonia and Latvia for allowing gatherings of local veterans of Nazi SS units.
"We must toughen our stance on the issue," Medvedev said. "There is no room here for delicate diplomatic wording. Our stance must be more combative."
Medvedev also vowed military spending plans would not be cut as a result of the current financial crisis, and urged the government to provide free apartments to some 50,000 war veterans before Russia marks the 65th anniversary of the end of the fighting in Europe next year.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=235&sid=5431570
tomtom22
Chief Engineer
Yep, you are right!
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Landing&displayDate=1/27&categoryId=worldwarii
You get the next question.
perseus
Active member
This ship was rammed in 1943 splitting it in two. The resulting wreck on the ocean floor was recently investigated by a TV programme. However the ship was only decommisioned in 1946 and sold for scrap in 1972. How is this possible?
Clue: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” Chap. 6, p. 111 Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Clue: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” Chap. 6, p. 111 Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
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perseus
Active member
The point I am making is that if a ship has been split in two and the wreck resulting from that collision has been found at the bottom of the ocean how can it be that the ship was still on the US navies books for 3 more years 1943-1946?
There is a logical answer which you can derive through thinking about it, although it sounds unlikely. (It was not an administrative error, it was a very unusual incident). The answer is very interesting.
There is a logical answer which you can derive through thinking about it, although it sounds unlikely. (It was not an administrative error, it was a very unusual incident). The answer is very interesting.