Why did Germany lose WW2?

one word: Churchill.

He convinced every western nation he could to go on war with the germans, most importantly U.S.

Churchill and Roosevelt his friend, made it happen. Without these 2, that war seems unlikely.

As far as German, Hitler, is concerned, he only wanted war in the east. But i guess, GB Churchill was both an imperialist and humanist, he thought he must battle this evil and save his beloved british empire. However, the british empire did fall apart after WW2, while germany became a rich country(at least western part).

so the question really is, who really lost that war? I'd say GB and USSR lost. GB losing a lot of its power after that war and USSR had the the biggest losses of men overall. The clear winner was the U.S. it became of the military rank16 to military rank1 most powerful army on the world after the 2nd ww, the greatest economic power too and a superpower dominating the rest of the world with just few casualities in that world war, of course the U.S. army got a bloody nose in their first big ground operation in Africa by german elite soldiers, right before operation overlord, even though they were well geared, just lacking battlefield expierence, but thats a different story.

I am not sure I agree with this, with or without Churchill German could not defeat Britain primarily because it could not get to Britain.

The deficiencies in the Kriegsmarine in terms of size and the Luftwaffes lack of a strategic bomber and a fighter that could protect it meant that air superiority over southern England was extremely unlikely which meant that the Royal Navy was always going to be the decider therefore Churchill could spout on about anything he liked knowing that Britain was perfectly safe, essentially Britain could have been lead by a sock puppet for all the difference it would have made.
 
I am not sure I agree with this, with or without Churchill German could not defeat Britain primarily because it could not get to Britain.

The deficiencies in the Kriegsmarine in terms of size and the Luftwaffes lack of a strategic bomber and a fighter that could protect it meant that air superiority over southern England was extremely unlikely which meant that the Royal Navy was always going to be the decider therefore Churchill could spout on about anything he liked knowing that Britain was perfectly safe, essentially Britain could have been lead by a sock puppet for all the difference it would have made.

Although I agree Germany could not get to Britain, however, I agree with Machiavelli. Churchill inspired the British, he boosted morale, morale that was needed to sit out the blitz, to put up with severe rationing and shortages to produce war material in the factories. The US were not convinced that Britain would hold out aided and abetted by Joe Kennedy. Churchill convinced the US that by sinking the French fleet (although it left a bitter taste in peoples mouths) in North Africa Churchill was willing to do anything to fight and win.

Churchill was the right man at the right time.
 
Although I agree Germany could not get to Britain, however, I agree with Machiavelli. Churchill inspired the British, he boosted morale, morale that was needed to sit out the blitz, to put up with severe rationing and shortages to produce war material in the factories. The US were not convinced that Britain would hold out aided and abetted by Joe Kennedy. Churchill convinced the US that by sinking the French fleet (although it left a bitter taste in peoples mouths) in North Africa Churchill was willing to do anything to fight and win.

Churchill was the right man at the right time.

As I have said earlier I am not a Churchill-ophile I am not going to argue with his oratory prowess but it is easy to be brave in a shark cage and much less so when swimming with the sharks, Britain was a shark cage in terms of being unobtainable by the Germans.

I tend to think that "do anything to fight and win" attitude cost a lot of lives needlessly as he wasted time and effort on flights of fancy such as Pikecrete and indulged hair brained schemes such as Dieppe.

But then I may be biased given that he was responsible for Gallipoli and the largest loss of New Zealand lives in our history and I think that his somewhat callous attitude towards the lives of servicemen was shown when confronted about the loss of ships and crewmen during the attempted forcing of the Dardanelles all he had to say was the losses did not matter as "we can always build more ships".
 
I am not sure I agree with this, with or without Churchill German could not defeat Britain primarily because it could not get to Britain.

The deficiencies in the Kriegsmarine in terms of size and the Luftwaffes lack of a strategic bomber and a fighter that could protect it meant that air superiority over southern England was extremely unlikely which meant that the Royal Navy was always going to be the decider therefore Churchill could spout on about anything he liked knowing that Britain was perfectly safe, essentially Britain could have been lead by a sock puppet for all the difference it would have made.

Thats not a military and tactical question here. Britain can have air and marine supremacy all they want, but they were surrounded and had no allies and would have been defeated by a serious attack by nazy germany, however nazy germany proably thought, it was not worth the cost in men and resources to take a rather smal country in comparission to the much more important easfront and the actual reasion to even start world war 2. Occuppying britain wasn't the plan and just weakens their military that they could have spent at the east front.

After Dunkirk, GB's morale to continue the war with germany was non existent. A chamberlain figure would opted for a peace treaty quite quickly and hitler offered good conditions to GB, too.(in comparssion to the other counries he invaded)

Just Churchill denied it all and put a lot of pressure on Germany, by strictly continueing the war. I read so much about Churchill. Believe it or not, without him proably Hitler would have totally won his war. Germany wasn't totally outnumbered outproduced and outclassed at the begining of wwII, it actually was the country that outclassed all other ones including U.S. and USSR, both big nations weren't prepared for a war when it started, also german submarines layed wate to british navy and later U.S. navy until they got the technology to spot the submarines and decode enigma.(2 technologies were required!) There was a technology war too.

Churchill hold out, and got U.S. in. It took the groundforces of the USSR, the supplies and economy of U.S. and the Air and Navy as well as intelligence supremacy of GB and U.S. to take down hitlers regime. Just look what price the world payed to take down Germany. That wasn't to compare with some war in the gulf, heh.

Also did you read all the details about the "Luftschlacht um England"? Eventually the Luftwaffe would have succeeded against the RAF, if they would have continued to bomb their airfields - they started with this at the beginning of that battle - and RAF could not recover from these attacks if they finished their businesses there. But instead both germany and GB bombarded their respective Capitols London and Berlin, what merely was a big waste of time, for Hitler and ended the air battle.

An then he thought, he ignores GB and deals with the USSR, could have worked with a Chamberlain in charge who proably wouldn't have that kind of relationship to roosevelt and U.S. as Churchill had and might be non-agressive not using commandos and bombers to lay waste to german supplies and weaken their effort on the east front in an economic way in additon all those TONS of supply for the USSR to recover on the eastfront and strike back in stalingrad with operation uranos. Just remember why did germany run out of supplies? It wasn't just cause USSR was bigger, thats utter nonsense. USSR got heavenly supplied while germany got cut of their supplies and it was a GB/U.S. effort.

I really think without Churchill nothing of this would have happened, at that time period, i don't think anyone would have been so brave to try to fight nazi germany when all your allies were quickly removed in the war. Look, Churchill even ordered the GB Navy to attack a large french fleet.......the guy was brave and mad and had sometimes luck, too. Without an agressesive GB leader as Churchill, GB could have been either isolated in that war or be hitlers ally even. Just look at King Edward VIII. And just look at those Britains who only care about the empire ant not nazi germany, Churchill while brave risked everything...it all could have ended in a catastrophe, too, like Hitler deciding to take GB no matter the cost before invading USSR. However he made the same mistake as Napoleon in underestimating GB, that land can recover quickly and put up a fight.

Lucky for Churchill, that Hitler never wanted to go to GB, but invade the asap USSR, that was his plan since the 20ies and chamberlain made GB appear weak so he understemiated it, like stalin who appeared weak in the USSR prior to the war, cause he was unpopular for that industrialization that cost them 10 million lifes and a red army that failed in Finnland.
Another problem of people discussiong WW2 is, they think USSR and US were superpowers to begin with. But they were ill prepared when the war started. Actually weakened, too. the 30ies weren't good for U.S. either and that starving of USSR citizens, cause of stalins rule.

Underestimating 2 persons did cost Hitler the war. It wasn't the countries. Would be there any resistence in GB without Churchill in charge? doubt it, if they lose their french ally and after dunkirk. But they may started out confident, but all hope was lost after dunkirk and the occupation of france and most of europe by germany.(for most leaders in the world at least, but not churchill)

USSR without Stalin? Would be there much resistence? Would they have even so many t30 tanks? Or would they be just pawns and farming? Stalin was cruel and brutal, but he transformed the USSR into a superpower by industralizising it, in a cruel and quick way probably no other leader would.

While Hitler was important to start WWII, both Stalin and Churchill were as important to end it. And without Churchill-Rosevellt who shared technology too and intelligence to the ill prepared U.S. at the start of the war would have been annhiliated by the sea wolves submarines, U.S. navy lacked the technology to see the german submarines and got it from the britains. The only reasion why germany declared war to the us, was cause of Japan and germans sumbarines ability to lay waste to the U.S. east coast in the operation "Paukenschlag".

However without Churchill no U.S. in Europe they would have dealt only with japan in the pacific. No, U.S. no most important U.S. supplies for Stalin, no Stalingrad/operation uranus, no hope for USSR. Germany superpower in no time and proably soon nuclear weapons with ICBM technology, they got important rocketscience experts. And from that point, GB and U.S. can't do a single thing against the Nazis.

I sometimes wonder if people actually know how close this war was? But i know, all the polticial, economocial and certainly tactical details aren't explained in a few books or school. you need to study that complex war for a while.

There are some very good british historicans out there. But Richard Overy is by far the best one. People will learn how close that war was and everything was possible at the early stages of the war. And he explains it very detailed with all aspects possible especially economical and tactical ones.
 
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As I have said earlier I am not a Churchill-ophile I am not going to argue with his oratory prowess but it is easy to be brave in a shark cage and much less so when swimming with the sharks, Britain was a shark cage in terms of being unobtainable by the Germans.

I tend to think that "do anything to fight and win" attitude cost a lot of lives needlessly as he wasted time and effort on flights of fancy such as Pikecrete and indulged hair brained schemes such as Dieppe.

But then I may be biased given that he was responsible for Gallipoli and the largest loss of New Zealand lives in our history and I think that his somewhat callous attitude towards the lives of servicemen was shown when confronted about the loss of ships and crewmen during the attempted forcing of the Dardanelles all he had to say was the losses did not matter as "we can always build more ships".

Everyone makes mistakes. But Churchill was vital for the allies in WWII. I wonder if there would have been even Allies without him, i doubt it.
 
I view some news ,said some idiots of Russian very worship the Hilter,and they discriminate , attack the black and the Asian.What the Fcuk?
The white claim Hilter killed many Russian. So these Russian very like Hilter? Some Russian are very cheap!
It is my pleasure to killed these idiots of Russian if I met these Russian on the battlefield.

The white ,could you stop propagate your "civil war" to the Earth people?
 
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Everyone makes mistakes. But Churchill was vital for the allies in WWII. I wonder if there would have been even Allies without him, i doubt it.


This is only a cliché:if Winston died in 1941,the outcome of the war would not have changed .
It is the same for Roosevelt :if he died in april 1944,nothing would have changed .

A lot of things were vital for the allies in WWII.
 
Thats not a military and tactical question here. Britain can have air and marine supremacy all they want, but they were surrounded and had no allies and would have been defeated by a serious attack by nazy germany, however nazy germany proably thought, it was not worth the cost in men and resources to take a rather smal country in comparission to the much more important easfront and the actual reasion to even start world war 2. Occuppying britain wasn't the plan and just weakens their military that they could have spent at the east front.

After Dunkirk, GB's morale to continue the war with germany was non existent. A chamberlain figure would opted for a peace treaty quite quickly and hitler offered good conditions to GB, too.(in comparssion to the other counries he invaded)

Just Churchill denied it all and put a lot of pressure on Germany, by strictly continueing the war. I read so much about Churchill. Believe it or not, without him proably Hitler would have totally won his war. Germany wasn't totally outnumbered outproduced and outclassed at the begining of wwII, it actually was the country that outclassed all other ones including U.S. and USSR, both big nations weren't prepared for a war when it started, also german submarines layed wate to british navy and later U.S. navy until they got the technology to spot the submarines and decode enigma.(2 technologies were required!) There was a technology war too.

Churchill hold out, and got U.S. in. It took the groundforces of the USSR, the supplies and economy of U.S. and the Air and Navy as well as intelligence supremacy of GB and U.S. to take down hitlers regime. Just look what price the world payed to take down Germany. That wasn't to compare with some war in the gulf, heh.

Also did you read all the details about the "Luftschlacht um England"? Eventually the Luftwaffe would have succeeded against the RAF, if they would have continued to bomb their airfields - they started with this at the beginning of that battle - and RAF could not recover from these attacks if they finished their businesses there. But instead both germany and GB bombarded their respective Capitols London and Berlin, what merely was a big waste of time, for Hitler and ended the air battle.

An then he thought, he ignores GB and deals with the USSR, could have worked with a Chamberlain in charge who proably wouldn't have that kind of relationship to roosevelt and U.S. as Churchill had and might be non-agressive not using commandos and bombers to lay waste to german supplies and weaken their effort on the east front in an economic way in additon all those TONS of supply for the USSR to recover on the eastfront and strike back in stalingrad with operation uranos. Just remember why did germany run out of supplies? It wasn't just cause USSR was bigger, thats utter nonsense. USSR got heavenly supplied while germany got cut of their supplies and it was a GB/U.S. effort.

I really think without Churchill nothing of this would have happened, at that time period, i don't think anyone would have been so brave to try to fight nazi germany when all your allies were quickly removed in the war. Look, Churchill even ordered the GB Navy to attack a large french fleet.......the guy was brave and mad and had sometimes luck, too. Without an agressesive GB leader as Churchill, GB could have been either isolated in that war or be hitlers ally even. Just look at King Edward VIII. And just look at those Britains who only care about the empire ant not nazi germany, Churchill while brave risked everything...it all could have ended in a catastrophe, too, like Hitler deciding to take GB no matter the cost before invading USSR. However he made the same mistake as Napoleon in underestimating GB, that land can recover quickly and put up a fight.

Lucky for Churchill, that Hitler never wanted to go to GB, but invade the asap USSR, that was his plan since the 20ies and chamberlain made GB appear weak so he understemiated it, like stalin who appeared weak in the USSR prior to the war, cause he was unpopular for that industrialization that cost them 10 million lifes and a red army that failed in Finnland.
Another problem of people discussiong WW2 is, they think USSR and US were superpowers to begin with. But they were ill prepared when the war started. Actually weakened, too. the 30ies weren't good for U.S. either and that starving of USSR citizens, cause of stalins rule.

Underestimating 2 persons did cost Hitler the war. It wasn't the countries. Would be there any resistence in GB without Churchill in charge? doubt it, if they lose their french ally and after dunkirk. But they may started out confident, but all hope was lost after dunkirk and the occupation of france and most of europe by germany.(for most leaders in the world at least, but not churchill)

USSR without Stalin? Would be there much resistence? Would they have even so many t30 tanks? Or would they be just pawns and farming? Stalin was cruel and brutal, but he transformed the USSR into a superpower by industralizising it, in a cruel and quick way probably no other leader would.

While Hitler was important to start WWII, both Stalin and Churchill were as important to end it. And without Churchill-Rosevellt who shared technology too and intelligence to the ill prepared U.S. at the start of the war would have been annhiliated by the sea wolves submarines, U.S. navy lacked the technology to see the german submarines and got it from the britains. The only reasion why germany declared war to the us, was cause of Japan and germans sumbarines ability to lay waste to the U.S. east coast in the operation "Paukenschlag".

However without Churchill no U.S. in Europe they would have dealt only with japan in the pacific. No, U.S. no most important U.S. supplies for Stalin, no Stalingrad/operation uranus, no hope for USSR. Germany superpower in no time and proably soon nuclear weapons with ICBM technology, they got important rocketscience experts. And from that point, GB and U.S. can't do a single thing against the Nazis.

I sometimes wonder if people actually know how close this war was? But i know, all the polticial, economocial and certainly tactical details aren't explained in a few books or school. you need to study that complex war for a while.

There are some very good british historicans out there. But Richard Overy is by far the best one. People will learn how close that war was and everything was possible at the early stages of the war. And he explains it very detailed with all aspects possible especially economical and tactical ones.

This post is swarming with clichés,mistakes and H CH statements ,as :

1)German nuclear weapons : haha

2) ICBM technology

3)The war being close

4)The US being annihilated by the U Boats

5)The importance of Paukenschlacht

6) no resistance in Britain without Churchill

7)All hope lost after the fall of France and Dunkirk

8)Hitler and Napoleon underestimated Britain

9 ) The LW winning the Battle of Britain


10) the SU being saved by Lend Lease


Etc,etc,etc
 
1)German nuclear weapons : haha

Stalin had them too, if the cold war is funny for you. never said they would have it during the war.

2) ICBM technology

Sorry that it exist and the rocket scienctist are germans, too. V2 and werner von braun, but continue to ignore facts, they are the pioneers here. And who said that the advanced technology of ICBM's would be used during that war? Nothing impossible, though, if you studied the secret weapons of the Nazis beyond V2's, they did much more than that and this with a reduced economy at the very end. Don't doubt a succesful Nazy germany would develop in technology faster than the USSR did, with occupied USSR and its vast resources what was all the point for Hitler's war.

3)The war being close

Very close. Except if the war starts in 1943/1944 for you. haha

4)The US being annihilated by the U Boats

Without british technology to spot them, yes.

5)The importance of Paukenschlacht

It was important? aha You make up things.

6) no resistance in Britain without Churchill

After dunkirk and most of europe occupied - sure.

7)All hope lost after the fall of France and Dunkirk

I see you never expierenced the situation close enough and in more detail.

8)Hitler and Napoleon underestimated Britain

They did.

9 ) The LW winning the Battle of Britain

Possible enough. Just needed to finish of the RAF airfields, but changed target priority to London bombings, cause Churchill(again!) provoked successful Hitler by bombing Berlin.

10) the SU being saved by Lend Lease

There is economcal data about it, but i guess you know that better(or not).

Etc,etc,etc

not much more i guess, as expected.



i don't see what you mean by mistakes. Don't think so many military historican professors, british ones even, are wrong either, nothing i said isn't backed up. I can point you to reference if needed.

Nazi germany was on the verge to become a world's super power with Hitler.

Underestimating Hitler is even worse than underestimating Stalin or Churchill. But i guess the episode with Chamberlain slipped by too, quite a different way to deal with Hitler, when Churchill was in the lead of GB and it worked out, instead EdwardVIII could have returned too with his pro nazi attidude. You shouldn't compare Hitler with Napoleon either, just way different personalities and time periods. If Napoleon would have prussia and tanks guess what? Do you even know Napoleon quotes?

All these countries in the napoleonic wars and ww2 were afraid of Napoleon and Hitler so they united to defeat them. And you say with a straight face, it wasn't close? 1 mistakes and europe and russia would be swastika crossed, and i wonder if that would be even close, when Nazi germany is provided with enough supplies and just 1 front.
 
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This is only a cliché:if Winston died in 1941,the outcome of the war would not have changed .
It is the same for Roosevelt :if he died in april 1944,nothing would have changed .

A lot of things were vital for the allies in WWII.

the war did start actually in 1939, so this is totally useless to write.....?

And i can proove you wrong easily, the outcome could have been changed till to operation overlord in 1944, cause if it would have failed, don't expect the U.S. to set food on european land in this war again. Pretty much everything was at stake in this crticial operation, it could have failed like U.S. Operation "Torch", too.
 
I view some news ,said some idiots of Russian very worship the Hilter,and they discriminate , attack the black and the Asian.What the Fcuk?
The white claim Hilter killed many Russian. So these Russian very like Hilter? Some Russian are very cheat!
It is my pleasure to killed these idiots of Russian if I met these Russian on the battlefield.

The white ,could you stop propagate your "civil war" to the Earth people?

Last time i watched the news in russia it was some russians celebrating Stalin and his "good" old times with him as Dictator. People forget bad things given the time. Like actually Stalin killed many Russians 10 Millions civilians by starving to death prior to the war and a lot of soldiers during WWII with reckless orders to engage german forces. Russian soldiers were shot by their own russian commanders, if they tried to retreat from the germans.

Just to quote a source:

World War II casualties of the Sovjet Union from all related causes were commonly estimated in excess of 20,000,000, both civilians and military, although the statistics vary to a great extent. The current assessment by the Russian Government is that total losses were 26.6 million both civilians and military, with military dead being 8.7 million

Let say the russian soldiers are ruthlessly wasted by Stalin to get to Berlin first.

But the Victors of wwII did a good Job making Hitler into some sort of Antichrist/Demon Spawn. in the countries where he ruled mainly Germany and Austria and it seems he is perhaps a chaplin parody in the english speaking countries.

In the meanwhile kids get the impression germany in wwII was weak cause they lost the war and had not as much resources as usa or ussr and could never win.
But anyone studying the economical data at the start of the war in 1939 knows this is nonsense and the strongest countries in the world allied against hitler for a reasion and it wasn't the holocaust, unleashed later in the war. faschism, was heavenly in use in the Colonialism era and WWI. Hitler did not ivent it. Even the industrialized murder had its roots in WW1, not WW2, to be more precesiley eugenics started in 1883. Hitler was born 1889.

Btw watched a very interesting documention lately i think it was national geographic channel it wasn't about WWII, but about DNA Tests of blonde, aryan looking people living in denmark. The result was, even them had their roots in Africa and the cold northern climate isn't a traid of them as blonde as they may look with their blue eyes. If there would be trime travel possible into the past, someone should tell this to Hitler.
 
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Overlord could only fail by allied stupidity,otherwise,the Germans had no chance,and,even if Overlordfailed,there still was Bagration .

Of course,some one who is saying that the war was close,is joking : Germany had lost the war at the end of june 1940.

That Stalin killed 10 million Russians before the war,is HC nonsens .
 
the war did start actually in 1939, so this is totally useless to write.....?

And i can proove you wrong easily, the outcome could have been changed till to operation overlord in 1944, cause if it would have failed, don't expect the U.S. to set food on european land in this war again. Pretty much everything was at stake in this crticial operation, it could have failed like U.S. Operation "Torch", too.


On 5 june 1944 (=before Overlord),the US already were with both feets on the European continent :they were parading in Rome .
 
On 5 june 1944 (=before Overlord),the US already were with both feets on the European continent :they were parading in Rome .

Yes and in the process the German 10th Army withdrew in good order, Mark Clark should have been sacked for allowing them to escape so he could get his 15 minutes of fame.

the war did start actually in 1939, so this is totally useless to write.....?

And i can proove you wrong easily, the outcome could have been changed till to operation overlord in 1944, cause if it would have failed, don't expect the U.S. to set food on european land in this war again. Pretty much everything was at stake in this crticial operation, it could have failed like U.S. Operation "Torch", too.

A number of people claim that WW2 began in 1937 with the Japanese invasion of China and still more claim that WW1 never really ended but certainly the European war started in 1939.
 
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I read a war movie (kokoda) about pacific war yesterday. The moive shoot by Australian, tell about this story ten thousands of Japs plan invade Australia via New Guinea,

damn it , only ten thousands of Japanese scare these Australian so much, as if these white guys very fear the Japanese soldiers in the movie. The funny thing is, some Australian run away like a rabbit as they encounter the Japanese soldiers.

Chinese take as the Australia as ally fight against Japan empire in second world war, it is a joke!
 
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two images cut from the movie:

A Japanese sniper cut the throat of an Australian officer use a knife:

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A escapsed Australian got by a Japs



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I found hard to communicate with these white , maybe these white (European) very evil by natrual ,since they born. You can not see any goodness from their eyes.

That is why these white (European) invade ,cheat,massacre and slave the African people ,American Indians and Asian people for hundreds of years.

These white race (European and Jews) listen, you can continue your evil ,your lying and dirty jobs on the people rest of the planet! Let us go on and see what happen!
 
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The white race (European) ,why you believe The God, hope the God forgive your crime?

you should know the God must abandon you after do these dirty jobs.
 
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