Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

I3BrigPvSk said:
Without claiming to know. I would guess several NATO countries special forces are operating in Ukraine. Other specialists are also there to provide with support of all the different systems the West have giving Ukraine.

I also think Ukraine has hired Western based PMCs
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I agree, I would also suspect they have been there a while but this is looking more along the lines of an open deployment of troops.

There has been a lot of discussion recently of countries providing logistics, antiaircraft and border troops to western Ukraine in order to free up Ukrainian manpower, the problem is the political risk of losing troops which is why I assumed the French would use the Foreign Legion rather than actual French troops.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
Without claiming to know. I would guess several NATO countries special forces are operating in Ukraine. Other specialists are also there to provide with support of all the different systems the West have giving Ukraine.

I also think Ukraine has hired Western based PMCs
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Classified US intelligence documents (apparently genuine) were leaked online last year which named the UK, Latvia, Poland, France, US and the Netherlands as having special forces on the ground in Ukraine
 
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MontyB said:
I agree, I would also suspect they have been there a while but this is looking more along the lines of an open deployment of troops.

There has been a lot of discussion recently of countries providing logistics, antiaircraft and border troops to western Ukraine in order to free up Ukrainian manpower, the problem is the political risk of losing troops which is why I assumed the French would use the Foreign Legion rather than actual French troops.
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British and US special forces allegedly on the ground from the start in 2022.

Although they usually like to call them “military advisers”….
 
AirborneWings said:
British and US special forces allegedly on the ground from the start in 2022.

Although they usually like to call them “military advisers”….
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I don't doubt this but it strikes me that it is only France and the UK who seem "more" willing to commit troops under their respective flags.

France has its political arse covered because it can commit the Foreign Legion but I don't know how well the UK public would take potential casualties by UK forces.
 
MontyB said:
I don't doubt this but it strikes me that it is only France and the UK who seem "more" willing to commit troops under their respective flags.

France has its political arse covered because it can commit the Foreign Legion but I don't know how well the UK public would take potential casualties by UK forces.
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Maybe they hope the UK public don’t find out.
 
MontyB said:
In an age where every man and his cat has a camera I doubt too much could remain secret for very long.
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This is a good point but despite strong evidence that they have been operating in Ukraine since 2022, no one has yet provided photographic proof as far as I’m aware.
 
AirborneWings said:
This is a good point but despite strong evidence that they have been operating in Ukraine since 2022, no one has yet provided photographic proof as far as I’m aware.
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True but there is a big difference in the public profile of team trained to operate under the radar and 25000 squaddies roaming the streets.
 
George said:
About what I figured.
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The story seems to be that this has been in the pipeline for about a year but as the missiles are quite old they require refurbishing and that has been mired in political BS.

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