I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
The UK gives Ukraine the Brimstone 2 missile, that's bad news for the Russian artillery, depots, logistic, command and control sites.
Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Yeah these weapons are great but I think the Ukrainians need more range and a bit less accuracy, both are nice but I think range is becoming more important.
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
It has a longer range than the Hellfire missile or do you mean the range to hit Russian targets in Russia?
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
I think Ukraine needs weapons that can hit deep into Russian territory and Russia itself, I would like to see them capable of hiting Russian transport hubs and energy centres in Southern Russia so they can return the favour.
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
TheWest should give them weapons that can hit military targets in Russia, it might be a bad move to hit non-military targets in Russia.
Btw. Germany recognize the Holodomor as a genocide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z68txP3XCc
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Wasn't that the guy off Game of Thrones.
I don't agree anymore, I think Putin may think twice about hitting civilian targets in Ukraine if the population of southern Russia started freezing themselves.
I also think hitting the Kerch bridge and Sevastopol naval base on a weekly basis would help the Russians realise they leaders a full of it.
BritinBritain
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Stalin was without a doubt a war criminal, he should have been castigated severely.
He sent a congratulations telegram to Hitler on reaching Dunkirk, then complained that Britain waited to open a 2nd front.
Stalin was not a war criminal : the Holodomor happened in 1933 and about what he ordered in WW2 :he was a winner and winners are not criminals .They can not be castigated .
About his Dunkirk telegram : he would also have complained that Britain waited to open a Second Front ( wrong complain ) if he had not sent such a telegram .
Thus both are not related .
Stalin sent also congratulations telegrams to the Allies when they had successes and vice versa .
BritinBritain
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Quite frankly I don't give a toss what you think. I told you before I will NOT even attempt to debate with you.
Crimes against humanity throughout his rule.
it's all in the timing!
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
He was a war criminal, the Katyn Massacre ensured that title.
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
Wasn't that the guy off Game of Thrones.
I don't agree anymore, I think Putin may think twice about hitting civilian targets in Ukraine if the population of southern Russia started freezing themselves.
I also think hitting the Kerch bridge and Sevastopol naval base on a weekly basis would help the Russians realise they leaders a full of it.
I have never watched the Game of Thrones so I don't know..:smile:
Ukraine has won and is still winning the propaganda/media war so I think it would backfire against them if they begin to attack non-military targets in Russia, when Ukraine is dependent on the West to remain as a independent country. But they can hit bases and the Kerch bridge again.
Was Katyn a war crime ? There was no war between Poland and the USSR .
And, the Allies knew very well what happened in Katyn ( not only the Marxists in Washington ,but also Churchill ),but they preferred to hide the whole thing,til they could use it against the Soviets .
Following US/British norms, Stalin was a criminal, but not following the Russian and Chinese, Indian, etc, norms .
He was at the same time a dogmatist and a realist, more realist than Lenin or his successors . What most people don't know is that a big part of the Soviet agriculture remained privatized ,because the Kremlin knew that a total collectivisation would result in a very big famine .
And it was this policy that helped the Soviet population to survive the war, not LL food supplies .
Stalin would also not have sent nuclear missiles to Cuba,as did Nikita K .
When Germany was invaded in 1945 Ehrenburg incited the Soviet soldiers to rape women and girls and to kill men and boys . Stalin publicly condemned Ehrenburg, because he knew that he would need the inhabitants of the future DDR after the war .
He was at the same time a dogmatist and a realist, more realist than Lenin or his successors . What most people don't know is that a big part of the Soviet agriculture remained privatized ,because the Kremlin knew that a total collectivisation would result in a very big famine .
And it was this policy that helped the Soviet population to survive the war, not LL food supplies .
Stalin would also not have sent nuclear missiles to Cuba,as did Nikita K .
When Germany was invaded in 1945 Ehrenburg incited the Soviet soldiers to rape women and girls and to kill men and boys . Stalin publicly condemned Ehrenburg, because he knew that he would need the inhabitants of the future DDR after the war .
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
I think we are now playing with semantics more than anything, no matter how it is worded, Hitler, Stalin, Putin and a host of other 20th century nutters are criminals the "war" part is largely unimportant, it is simply the descriptor of the justification the crime was carried out under.
Where Germany had pretty much wiped out the Polish Army the invasion of Poland by the USSR is usually mentioned as an afterthought, but when one country invades another to occupy half of it, it's a War, even if no one has named that part of it. Executing POWs is a War Crime.
That is a 2022 opinion, in 1940 the opinions were different .
Besides, a lot ( maybe most) Katyn prisoners were not POWs but political opponents of the Soviets (there were also some ethnic Ukrainians ) and that was the reason why they were shot ,although the motives were not very clear :general Anders ,who was not at Katyn, was not shot .So where countless Polish soldiers .
Britain and the US hided the truth even after the war .
325000 Poles ( not all military ) were deported to the USSR;at Katyn 22000 were shot .After June 22 1941 120000 ( the Anders army ) could leave the USSR.
No one knows why Anders was not shot ,although he refused to collaborate with the Soviets .
Germany invaded Austria and Czechia, but no one said that this were wars .
If the country that is invaded does not resist,or its resistance is insignificant, one can not speak of a war .
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
But the Poles did resist the Russian invasion.