Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

I took a look to see if the North Koreans have showed up in Ukraine, but I haven't found any evidence of them being there. The West claims the NK provides Russia with ammunition.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
I took a look to see if the North Koreans have showed up in Ukraine, but I haven't found any evidence of them being there. The West claims the NK provides Russia with ammunition.
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The claim is that NK sent a train or train loads of ammo.
There are also rumours of Iranian casualties for Ukrainian attacks on Crimean bases but there is no real evidence as yet.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
I came across this video depicting the use of a naval drone. It might explain what hit the Kerch bridge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIRFVoQ2PGo
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I suspect it was what hit the bridge, they seem relatively robust but a little small in terms of warhead.

One thing that has interested me is in the first hours of the war there were reports of landings near Odessa but I have heard nothing more about them or even confirmation they took place.
 
MontyB said:
I suspect it was what hit the bridge, they seem relatively robust but a little small in terms of warhead.

One thing that has interested me is in the first hours of the war there were reports of landings near Odessa but I have heard nothing more about them or even confirmation they took place.
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It might comes with different warhead depending on the what the Ukrainians want to hit. This one has a small warhead, It is in the size of kajak, so I assume it can take different warheads.

Now when you mention it. There were reports about amphibious assault around Odessa or do we get it wrong and the Russians used their amphibious assets during their military operations to capture Mariupol and the land bridge between Crimea and Donbas.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
It might comes with different warhead depending on the what the Ukrainians want to hit. This one has a small warhead, It is in the size of kajak, so I assume it can take different warheads.

Now when you mention it. There were reports about amphibious assault around Odessa or do we get it wrong and the Russians used their amphibious assets during their military operations to capture Mariupol and the land bridge between Crimea and Donbas.
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I am surprised they haven't tried a semi-submersible vehicle, it would present a smaller target and be more stable in rough/choppy seas.

With regards to Odessa, here is a CNN report on it...
11:38 p.m. ET, February 23, 2022
Russian troops have landed in Odessa and are crossing the border, Ukrainian official says
An adviser for the Interior Minister of Ukraine, Anton Gerashchenko, has told journalists on an official WhatsApp group that Russian troops have landed in the city Odessa and are crossing the border in the city of Kharkiv.

Gerashchenko added there have been missile strikes on the Vasilkovsky airfield near Kyiv.

He also said that Borys Filatov, the mayor of Dnipro, just called to say he was hearing explosions
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live...s-02-23-22/h_18d0932fdfd8dfd966f2e70486436d26
 
MontyB said:
I am surprised they haven't tried a semi-submersible vehicle, it would present a smaller target and be more stable in rough/choppy seas.

With regards to Odessa, here is a CNN report on it...


https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live...s-02-23-22/h_18d0932fdfd8dfd966f2e70486436d26
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When the kerch bridge was attacked, I suspected either a clandestine operation by Ukrainian Special Forces or the use of a submerged drone, but it might have been the surface drone used against the Russian naval base. It seems these drones were used against the Russian navy in Sevastopol. I read about the naval drone and it seems to have a warhead of 200 kilogram.

In the early stage of the war, The Russians tried to deploy airborne forces too, it failed when the two transport planes were shot down. First I thought this airborne drop was planned to occur north of Kiev, but it was outside Odessa. If i speculate about it. I believe the Russians conducted an amphibious operation to create a bridgehead outside Odessa while the Russian army attacked along the coastline. It failed when the Russians experienced logistical problems, which halted the Russian advance toward Odessa. These problems and the stalled Russian offensive forced to Russians to withdraw their marines.

The Russian navy lost one of its amphibious ships, which may explain why they haven't tried any amphibious operations since then.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
When the kerch bridge was attacked, I suspected either a clandestine operation by Ukrainian Special Forces or the use of a submerged drone, but it might have been the surface drone used against the Russian naval base. It seems these drones were used against the Russian navy in Sevastopol. I read about the naval drone and it seems to have a warhead of 200 kilogram.

In the early stage of the war, The Russians tried to deploy airborne forces too, it failed when the two transport planes were shot down. First I thought this airborne drop was planned to occur north of Kiev, but it was outside Odessa. If i speculate about it. I believe the Russians conducted an amphibious operation to create a bridgehead outside Odessa while the Russian army attacked along the coastline. It failed when the Russians experienced logistical problems, which halted the Russian advance toward Odessa. These problems and the stalled Russian offensive forced to Russians to withdraw their marines.

The Russian navy lost one of its amphibious ships, which may explain why they haven't tried any amphibious operations since then.
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Something seems to have gone badly wrong in the first few hours, there was the almost comical moment on TV where they had a live split screen of a press conference in Moscow on one side and Kiev on the other, the Russians had just claimed Ukrainian air defences were destroyed when on the other screen a missile took off and hit a Russian drone.

The Odessa story has intrigued me as neither side seemingly wants to mention it.
 
MontyB said:
Something seems to have gone badly wrong in the first few hours, there was the almost comical moment on TV where they had a live split screen of a press conference in Moscow on one side and Kiev on the other, the Russians had just claimed Ukrainian air defences were destroyed when on the other screen a missile took off and hit a Russian drone.

The Odessa story has intrigued me as neither side seemingly wants to mention it.
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I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw how the Russians behaved on the roads and the Russians weren't conscripts, they were professional soldiers. They all must have been sick the day when they were taught road discipline. Remember when I thought they had learn things from their previous wars? Apparently they haven't learn a damn thing from Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria. Especially, Chechnya and Georgia, they drove into urban areas in the same way in these two places and paid dearly for it.

The winter is coming (it is snowing here now) it will be interesting to see how both sides cope with the winter.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw how the Russians behaved on the roads and the Russians weren't conscripts, they were professional soldiers. They all must have been sick the day when they were taught road discipline. Remember when I thought they had learn things from their previous wars? Apparently they haven't learn a damn thing from Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria. Especially, Chechnya and Georgia, they drove into urban areas in the same way in these two places and paid dearly for it.

The winter is coming (it is snowing here now) it will be interesting to see how both sides cope with the winter.
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Actually I think they learned a lot in Syria but it was all the wrong stuff, that was a war where they had all the heavy weapons, airpower and they could just steamroll everything in their path.
 
MontyB said:
Actually I think they learned a lot in Syria but it was all the wrong stuff, that was a war where they had all the heavy weapons, airpower and they could just steamroll everything in their path.
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They were stationed in a islamic country so they couldn't drink any alcohol. Poor Russian to be forced to stay sober.


Which side benefit most of the winter? The Ukrainians have a better logistics so it might be them
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
They were stationed in a islamic country so they couldn't drink any alcohol. Poor Russian to be forced to stay sober.


Which side benefit most of the winter? The Ukrainians have a better logistics so it might be them
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I suspect Tartus is awash with vodka.

I suspect the Ukrainians will come through winter in better shape as they are receiving a lot of winter gear from the west, my big worry is that the Russians will get the time they need to reconstitute their forces for the next offensive.
 
MontyB said:
I suspect Tartus is awash with vodka.

I suspect the Ukrainians will come through winter in better shape as they are receiving a lot of winter gear from the west, my big worry is that the Russians will get the time they need to reconstitute their forces for the next offensive.
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That's why I believe the Ukrainians shall keep the pressure on the Russians and especially their supply lines.

The winter isn't that hard if the troops have the right equipment to deal with it. Night vision sight as long as they are thermal sights are even more efficient during the winter months. Batteries can be lesser effective during the winter than during other seasons.

Soldiers can be more drained during the winter if gets really cold when the body functions will using a lot of energy to counter the cold. Other things are much harder to do. Just taking a dump during the winter can be problematic
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
That's why I believe the Ukrainians shall keep the pressure on the Russians and especially their supply lines.

The winter isn't that hard if the troops have the right equipment to deal with it. Night vision sight as long as they are thermal sights are even more efficient during the winter months. Batteries can be lesser effective during the winter than during other seasons.

Soldiers can be more drained during the winter if gets really cold when the body functions will using a lot of energy to counter the cold. Other things are much harder to do. Just taking a dump during the winter can be problematic
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This is why I think they needed to get across the Dnieper and keep the pressure on in the south, the Russians can't afford to let a breakthrough in the south occur as it threatens the Crimean supply lines so any defendable bridgehead across the river would have fixed their better units in place.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
I think it is really good we (Finland and Sweden) join NATO, Finland and Sweden have since the end of the second world war belong to the west. Both Finland and Sweden have been dependent on NATO throughout the cold war and the post-cold war world. I don't really know what I shall call the time we are in right now. Cold War 2,0?

It is quite funny. Russia starts a war to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU , what happens is quite funny. NATO expansions, the thing Putin really hates happens when two new countries join the alliance.
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Just had a quick look at who has ratified Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO and it seems only Hungary and Turkiye are left to sign.
Hungary has said it will sign in January although I am still not sure who side Hungary is on or how they made it into NATO.
 
MontyB said:
Just had a quick look at who has ratified Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO and it seems only Hungary and Turkiye are left to sign.
Hungary has said it will sign in January although I am still not sure who side Hungary is on or how they made it into NATO.
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It is domestic politics for Erdogan, he wants to be re-elected and this is his way to win some political points.

The Hungarians must say yes and they most likely will if they want to have a functional air force. The Hungarian air force is flying JAS with a no, they would be forced to buy other fighter planes

They are both trying to play on the both sides of the road. It usually doesn't work well when governments have tried to walk down that path
 
MontyB said:
Just had a quick look at who has ratified Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO and it seems only Hungary and Turkiye are left to sign.
Hungary has said it will sign in January although I am still not sure who side Hungary is on or how they made it into NATO.
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And for the moment,Turkey is blocking the NATO membership of Sweden .
And Hungary is on the side of Hungary ,not on the side of Ukraine or Russia .
Proportionally it accepts more Ukrainian fugitives than Germany .
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
It is domestic politics for Erdogan, he wants to be re-elected and this is his way to win some political points.

The Hungarians must say yes and they most likely will if they want to have a functional air force. The Hungarian air force is flying JAS with a no, they would be forced to buy other fighter planes

They are both trying to play on the both sides of the road. It usually doesn't work well when governments have tried to walk down that path
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There seems to be a lot of talk that the Gripen-C is the aircraft Ukraine needs, my only concern is whether Sweden could produce enough of them to meet its existing commitments and equip a country at war.

lljadw said:
And for the moment,Turkey is blocking the NATO membership of Sweden .
And Hungary is on the side of Hungary ,not on the side of Ukraine or Russia .
Proportionally it accepts more Ukrainian fugitives than Germany .
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Yes but in all honesty they seem better suited to the CSTO group than NATO.
 
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