Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

I3BrigPvSk said:
I am still amazed by the fact, can't the Americans find two better suited to be running for the president, or at least two younger ones. But the European NATO countries are stepping up and increase their defense
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I agree, I really don't know how they have reached the point of having to choose between a declining octogenarian and a narcissistic one.
 
George said:
Wish I could vote for someone else, but one or the other is going to be reelected.
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My in-laws are old school Reagan Republicans and they are in the same situation made worse by being in Arizona which apparently is a swing state so their vote matters (unlike say California which will go Democratic no matter what), they seem to be heading down the Biden path because they consider Trump and MAGA as a cult and dangerous to the country as a whole.

We have similar issues where we now have a mixture of centre right, far right and conspiracy nutters in charge and it is an absolute mess, we have one coalition party that has two senior members that believe in Nuremberg 2.0 and Chem-trails and it does your head in listening to these idiots, so good luck.

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I3BrigPvSk said:
Can it be the result of consuming too much vodka we see here?
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Russia couldn't produce enough vodka to get me to ride that onto a battlefield.
Bikes are not great vehicles to ride into combat on but how stupid do you have to be to think making them bigger, slower and less maneuverable is a better option.
 
MontyB said:
Russia couldn't produce enough vodka to get me to ride that onto a battlefield.
Bikes are not great vehicles to ride into combat on but how stupid do you have to be to think making them bigger, slower and less maneuverable is a better option.
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The Russians do things differently. Btw, I read an article about Bakhmut, the Russian lost about 20 000 when the captured the pile of concrete and bricks that once was the city of Bakhmut. I think most of us are stunned about how many casualties the Russians can take, but at the same time when I have talked with Russians about wars (mostly the second world war) and mentioned the high casualties, they have said the only thing that counts is the end result. So it is in the mind frame to accept high casualties
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
The Russians do things differently. Btw, I read an article about Bakhmut, the Russian lost about 20 000 when the captured the pile of concrete and bricks that once was the city of Bakhmut. I think most of us are stunned about how many casualties the Russians can take, but at the same time when I have talked with Russians about wars (mostly the second world war) and mentioned the high casualties, they have said the only thing that counts is the end result. So it is in the mind frame to accept high casualties
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I will inject a Kiwi colloquialism here and say "yeah, nah", I have little doubt Russia is fighting a war of attrition as it has always done but I think it should be pointed out that Russia isn't the Soviet Union with 300 million it is just Russia with 144 million people, Putin doesn't have unlimited manpower especially if he wants an economy and now he has cleaned out the prisons, poorer regions of Russia he will soon reach a point where he has to round up Muscovites and St Petersburgs kids and that will go down like a lead ballon.

Personally I think Putin is feeling the pressure especially with claims that the west is pushing him to the point of no return on WW3,

www.mirror.co.uk

Putin accuses West of pushing him 'to point of no return' on nuclear World War 3

Russian president Vladimir Putin has accused the West of pushing him to point of no return and has issued new threats on nuclear World War 3 - he accused NATO leaders of 'extreme recklessness'
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk

I don't think the west has pushed him anywhere, I think he has painted himself into a corner and now in his desperation to get out he thinks saying "give me what I want or else" is a winning solution but he clearly has forgotten that threats are only threats if you have something to back it up with and he doesn't.
 
Shooting down drones WWI style.
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George said:
Shooting down drones WWI style.
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Yeah I was wondering whether it wouldn't be an option to look at the Light Air Support program for Ukraine.
The Beechcraft AT-6 or Embraer A-29 have already been developed and made it through the evaluation process before it was cancelled so could be rapidly brought back.
Let's face it all you are looking for is a low stall speed, maximum speed of around 300mph and the capacity to carry armament, these days that almost describes all military grade flight trainers.
 
I found this rather interesting, it may not be 100% accurate but I think it is still a good comparison.
My only concern in a NATO (without the USA) v Russia conflict would be the logistics and coordination needs of NATO given the plethora of equipment variety's an languages (although I accept English is widely spoken throughout Europe).

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I doubt the US leaves NATO and the war in Ukraine has forced several European NATO countries to increase the defense spending. But let us assume the US does it. The US will be reduced to a regional power. The US Air Force and the US strategic forces can have a global reach. The US Navy can only operate relatively close to the US, the aircraft carriers and submarines can reach further, but the escort ships cannot. It will also most likely ruin the US defense industry when European countries will stop buying US made defense systems.

But the US will suffer more when it has lost all credibility and will not be trusted again. I wonder what Canada does if the US leaves NATO. There is a defense alliance between the US and Canada called the NORAD alliance. Maybe Canada leaves too if the US does it
 
George said:
Unless they've gotten out of the habit the US Navy can go anywhere with at sea replentishment/fueling.
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That's true. The US Navy has tankers, but it will be much better for the US if they can base naval (and other forces) closer to the US interest and not being forced to go back to the US coasts. I think it is beneficial for the US to have a permanent military presence in the Mediterranean and on the European side of the Atlantic
 
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