The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe!

[gladius]

Re: The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europ

Ds: IMHO this is the best thread on this forum

You know what Doc, I 'll go ahead and agree with you on that. Lol :lol:

Seriuosly, in going with what you are saying, a coordinated strike by massive amounts of terrorist and in-country populous may give the invasion the jump start it needs to give it a foothold in Europe. This would be the smart thing to do from the enemies point of view, at least thats what I think.

Even if the militaries in other or most countries succesfully quell the intitial shock of terrorist attack and uprisings they will wake up to find that a massive invasion is well underway. The confusion brought by this is what will give the invaders time for a hard first strike gaining precious ground for later follow up advances.

 

[Battleman]

Reading this what a load of clap trap!, people who believe in Prophecies get over it! You are just hanging yourself up. I know a few muslims personnaly and they couldnt be more helpful or friendly, and they hate what is going on in Iraq with rebels conducting beheadings in the name of their god.

On the topic of inflicting democracy on the Middle East.....you simply can't and never will! The middle east is a totally different civilisation from the rest of the world, they think differently and see things differently.

Iraq was more stable under Saddam (but more brutal), the only thing Arabs know to obey is violence and punishment. You punish them harsh they obey!, Like what Saddam did, with the soft approach, well you get the trouble makers running riot. Harsh punishment is the only solution they know hence the worsening troubles in Iraq and stability in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I do not believe the Muslims will unite, people on this talk as if they will drop everything they are doing, grab their monkeys and parrots and start a battle. No, absolute nonsense. It takes years and years to build a military and train it, and I think us Westerners would notice this going on aswell, build up of hostilities, from satellite images etc. And when you have the US and UK Navies controlling the Oceans and seas round Europe............ well you know what happens then. Command the Oceans around Europe, you Rule Europe!

On the topic of being outnumbered, well the Germans lost to the Russians as they were fighting a War on 2 fronts. Europe on the other hand would be one big front, and Nato has rapid reaction forces trained to deal with anything of the sort dating back to the cold war era. I cant see anyone from the middle east "shock and aweing" Europe.

 

[Charge 7]

It will be the American Empire, which will invade Europe. Oh wait, they've already started 64 years ago: There are countless US bases all over Europe. Only a few countries are exempt from this "military colonization". it would therefore be fairly easy for the US to invade the continent if they chose to do so. No Middle Eastern power has the technology, firepower or manpower for this conquest.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh thanks! And I thought I was gonna have to rely on the comics for my humour this morning! :twisted:

 

[Doppleganger]

Reading this what a load of clap trap!, people who believe in Prophecies get over it! You are just hanging yourself up. I know a few muslims personnaly and they couldnt be more helpful or friendly, and they hate what is going on in Iraq with rebels conducting beheadings in the name of their god.

On the topic of inflicting democracy on the Middle East.....you simply can't and never will! The middle east is a totally different civilisation from the rest of the world, they think differently and see things differently.

Iraq was more stable under Saddam (but more brutal), the only thing Arabs know to obey is violence and punishment. You punish them harsh they obey!, Like what Saddam did, with the soft approach, well you get the trouble makers running riot. Harsh punishment is the only solution they know hence the worsening troubles in Iraq and stability in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I do not believe the Muslims will unite, people on this talk as if they will drop everything they are doing, grab their monkeys and parrots and start a battle. No, absolute nonsense. It takes years and years to build a military and train it, and I think us Westerners would notice this going on aswell, build up of hostilities, from satellite images etc. And when you have the US and UK Navies controlling the Oceans and seas round Europe............ well you know what happens then. Command the Oceans around Europe, you Rule Europe!

On the topic of being outnumbered, well the Germans lost to the Russians as they were fighting a War on 2 fronts. Europe on the other hand would be one big front, and Nato has rapid reaction forces trained to deal with anything of the sort dating back to the cold war era. I cant see anyone from the middle east "shock and aweing" Europe.

I've already said that the only Muslim invasion will be a cultural one. It's already began in the West.

As for a military campaign with some 'Uber Ayatollah' it is so far-fetched as to be in the realms of fantasy.

 

[gladius]

Doppleganger,

To the Muslims this fantasy is reality.

What about a two-pronged invasion. The whole basis for what I am saying is that the cultural one will make good headway making it easier for the military one.

Reading this what a load of clap trap!, people who believe in Prophecies get over it! You are just hanging yourself up.

I'm not the one who believes in it, its the billion Muslims who do. And I'm sure they will jump at any chance to see its fullfilment.

I do not believe the Muslims will unite, people on this talk as if they will drop everything they are doing, grab their monkeys and parrots and start a battle. No, absolute nonsense.

It doesn't matter what you believe. It doesn't matter what I believe.

Its what they believe that matters here, and this is what they believe.

When this guy shows up, alot of them will drop everything, and those will convince the rest that he is part of the fullfilment of their prophecies.

It takes years and years to build a military and train it, and I think us Westerners would notice this going on aswell, build up of hostilities, from satellite images etc. And when you have the US and UK Navies controlling the Oceans and seas round Europe............ well you know what happens then. Command the Oceans around Europe, you Rule Europe!

Hitler controlled Europe without controlling the seas.

If the Westerners did notice the Build-up what are they willing to do about it? I know the US may do something, what about Europe, its good if they did, and do they have the stomach for it. But thats the whole point of this if no one take this seriously then there will be a build-up.

You have to remeber this empire will control most of Europes oil supply, how are you going to be hostile to someone who control the life blood of your industry?

As far as the thing you were talking about democracy, I think you are right. Whatever is going on in the Middle East is only buying us time.


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MontyB, The answer is in the begining of this thread of as to who is this hypothetical "Islamic" enemy that is going to make deep incursions into a defenceless Europe.

Also, I never said Europe was going to be defenceless. They will have a defence but their politics and attitude coupled by the sheer numbers of invaders may overwhelm them.

 

[Battleman]

I am open minded and listen to other views, but................if they do think that one day or even try, I know that Britain wont sit back, the French on the other hand................

 

[USAFAUX2004]

I am open minded and listen to other views, but................if they do think that one day or even try, I know that Britain wont sit back, the French on the other hand................

And what are the brits going to do against a 1000 armies? and why the hell would you bash the french?

 

[Doc.S]

gladius wrote:

As far as the thing you were talking about democracy, I think you are right. Whatever is going on in the Middle East is only buying us time.

Then we are two gladius...

It sounds crazy for the untrained ears all of this, but it is a reality we just have to live with, because we are living in it right now. I may not live when this prophecy is self fulfilled, or should I say I hope I'm not alive then. It is a long way to paddle over the North Atlantic Sea to safer grounds. This place is F.U.B.A.R already. :lol:

As Battleman mentions the Arab culture is totaly different from our western thoughts, and that is why I am buying this thing together with all other things that we already can see around us as Doppleganger are mentioning with the cultural invasion for starters. I don't have to like it but damn it... It is there... What can I do? Nothing to be honest. Our own integration minister has already taken down our flag if this would happened over here. :roll:

I got this information after the netherland uprising, the death of that controversial movie maker. It was on our own mainstream news. All EU members integration ministers was having a meeting and they seems to have put this question to the future. Today they would lay down arms immediately according to our (SWE) integration minister.

I find this to be perfectly normal and it is nothing strange with what takes place in all EU member countrys with great numbers of immigration from the middle east and other strong Islam regions. But it is interesting that someone or somebody or atleast others then our own short time politicians talks about this in a ordinary fashion.


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[beardo]

Re: The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europ

Hang on, why am I taking part in a discussion which involves some mythical "prophesy" bullsh*t?

May seem that way to you or me, but sure doesnt to those who do believe it...its already started in Iraq

 

[GIANTNEVERSAYNO]

I have been reading the thread and I do feel that there are some facts that need some adjustment. I believe that the whole idea of this thread is about the Islamic phrophency, the islamic threat towards a global domination and the rise of Mehdi. I thank gladius for opening up this thread but i do feel that most of his opinion is based on a one sided theory which is based on books and literatures. for once, have any one of you really ask a muslim on what the whole idea might be.
Islam means "pure". As a Muslim, we are thaught to respect each other regardless of your race and your believes. There is no discremination in Islam. Look at the Islamic history, When Prophet Muhammad first establish a Muslim country in Medina', he gave all the people(Muslim, Jews, Christians etc) freedom to practise their believes. There are no restrictions and bias. Everyone can take part in the administration and each of the have their own representatives in the new administration. The true concept of Islam is to have peace between one another and respect. Islam does not permit its followers to go into war or in other word, we are not a war junkie(as you may pronounce it)
next, the mehdi theory of existance, it is still debated by the ulama'(the religious leaders) whether there are going to be a mehdi or not. yes its true that in the holy quran states that in the end the whole muslim will become unite, this is one of the big sign of the end of the world(kiamat). Even if you guys still maintain that the unification willcause a war, all i can say is that, at the end of the day, no one will prevail. it is said that Allah will not create armageddon, but the inhabitant of the world will.... in easy word, the human race themselve will cause the world to be doomed(every one have nuclear weapons, right)
As for global domination, I don't believe that the muslim have the ambition to conquer the world. Its already being done in the past history and it does not give any one any good.
Islam doesn't create fanatics. I follow the teachings of Islam, does that shows that I am a terrorist. I despise the action of some lunatics who uses the name of Islam for their own agenda. Believe me, there are also many of the Muslims will agree with me. Ask me about suicide bombing, the people who do that will surely go to hell i/o heaven. No one who commit suicide will have place in heaven forever. The slashing done by the so called Islamic group in Iraq... may god have mercy on their soul, they have committed a big sin by killing an unarmed human being. In Islam, you are in war if you are fighting with an armed man. Not otherwise.
As a muslim, I love peace and hate war, I pray to god to stop all of this violence and hope that we can live a normal and prosperous live. The concept of "Hadhari" is what the Muslim pratice.

 

[Battleman]

I arrest my case about what I said about my Muslim friends!

Well said! 8)

 

[gladius]

Islam means "pure". As a Muslim, we are thaught to respect each other regardless of your race and your believes. There is no discremination in Islam. Look at the Islamic history, When Prophet Muhammad first establish a Muslim country in Medina', he gave all the people(Muslim, Jews, Christians etc) freedom to practise their believes. There are no restrictions and bias.

I beg your pardon, but this is absolutely untrue.

Christians and Jews who lived under Muslim law were required to pay a special tax called jizyah. Those paying the tax were classified as dhimmis, second-class protected citizens who have a limited number of rights. They were by no means equal to Muslims (big restriction and bias). Pagans on the other hand were forced to convert, or else.

Besides the Koran says otherwise:

"O ye who believe (Muslims) take not the Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them is of them (Surat Al-Maidah 5:51).

You also forgot to mention the Prophet Muhammad massacred the Jews in Medina.

I know you are painting a picture of Islam being all peaceful, but history as well as current events has not proven that, so who am I to believe.

Most of my comments are based on past and present history and Muslim attitudes and resentments towards the secular or "Christian" West (for God's sakes they still hold the crusades against us), I didn't just dig my comments out of nowhere.

But let me say there is a difference between the moderate and fundamentalist Islamics. Within the religion there is a tug-of-war between these two forces. Who will prevail will determin the future. But in order for the future to be a peaceful one the moderates need to step up address and defeat many things of what the fundamentalist are doing, and this has to be done within the Muslim community itself. Right now they have a slight boost with the democratization of Iraq. But are they really willing to step up to the plate and make it happen? I'll believe it when I see it, not simply because someone paints a pretty picture of their religion. Believe me I'd like to see the moderates win.

 

[Corocotta]

GIANTNEVERSAYNO wrote:

There are no restrictions and bias. Everyone can take part in the administration and each of the have their own representatives in the new administration. The true concept of Islam is to have peace between one another and respect. Islam does not permit its followers to go into war or in other word, we are not a war junkie(as you may pronounce it)

Concerning the history of mi country (Spain, known as Al-Andalus for many nostalgics): during the islam domination there was no peace betewen Christians and Muslims, we had to fight during 800 years to get our freedom back, and the tale about the peaceful coexistance is just a tale. Even after we got our freedom back we had to fight against Otomans..Lepanto,Kalhenberg, Vien....

 

[Corocotta]

Islam means "pure". As a Muslim, we are thaught to respect each other regardless of your race and your believes. There is no discremination in Islam

If you usually read the Koran you will know this:


O Beleivers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends. They are
but one another's friends. If any one of you takes them for his
friends, he surely is one of them! 5:56


Of all men you will certainly find the Jews, and those who join other
gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred of those who believe;
and you shall certainly find those to be nearest in affection to them
who say, We are Christians.' This, because some of them are priests
and monks, and because they are free from pride. 5:85

Fight then against them until strife be at an end, and the religion be all
of it God's. 8:40


They who believe, fight on the path of God; and they who believe not
fight on the path of Thagout: Fight therefore against the friends of
Satan. 4:78

Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous. 9:124


Is this a peaceful religion...? :shock:

 

[godofthunder9010]

I can open up my Bible and accuse Christianity and Judaism of the same things -- based on their own sacred scriptures. I'm Christian, but I have a brain of my own. God commanded the ancient Israelites to kill every inhabitant of the Holy Land preceding them and to leave none alive.

Christianity used such passages to excuse wars and largescale massacres. Christianity has evolved. Do not make the mistake of begrudging them to make the same sort of progress. They need to purge the maniacs from their religion because those idiots make the rest of the faith look terrible. Also, many outdated practices related to women could use substantial updating. But the idea of change, I'm 100% in favor of.

 

[gladius]

On certain parts of this I have to totaly agree with you. Christianity has used scriptures to wage war on a large scale, of this I have no doubt and know full well about.

But that wasn't the point here. The guy was saying that there is no discrimination in Islam, that there are no restrictions and bias, pointing to their history. Not true.

He also said that Islam doesn't permit its followers to go into war. Also not true.

That's the point that I was adressing, not that Christiany or Judaism is faultless.

I am all for Islam evolving and making progress to join todays world. However even you have to admit that during the middle ages both Christianity and Islam were about the same level in thinking, killing each other in the name of God. However Christainity has evolved, Islam on the other hand has for the most part stayed in the 16th century. Their progress is at a snails pace compared to Christianity's rocketship.

Don't get me wrong I hope they do change and progress, but there is alot that needs to be done for that to happen. Most of them need to step up to the plate to see it through.

For all our sakes, I hope the moderates can beat the fundamentalist for control for the Muslim religion. How long will this take before it happens, your guess is a good as mine. And what if the Mahdi shows up before this change take place, what then?

 

[Doc.S]

Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe

For all our sakes, I hope the moderates can beat the fundamentalist for control for the Muslim religion. How long will this take before it happens, your guess is a good as mine. And what if the Mahdi shows up before this change take place, what then?

I still belive/hope that knowledge (more education/schools) and equal rights between sexes, and that communism as a political tool is banned as the far right national socialism is, it is the best weapon to defeat the widely spread illiterate that you find amongs almost all muslim countrys majority population. And if the Mahdi did show up before this changes then all hell would brake loose IMO. For sweden to get civilized 300 years (exaggerated civilised). If Islam is still on a 16th century level, that road is to far to walk before they can change. Basically we are all F.U.B.A.R. 8)

Cheers:
Doc.S
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[godofthunder9010]

Okay, so what happens if the Mahdi and the Messiah and Christ all turn out to be exactly the same person? This may be a stretch in terms of many prophecies, but what if they actually do turn out to be the same person? There are false Messiahs and there are false Mahdis. Many of each have come and gone.

 

[Corocotta]

Okay, so what happens if the Mahdi and the Messiah and Christ all turn out to be exactly the same person? This may be a stretch in terms of many prophecies, but what if they actually do turn out to be the same person? There are false Messiahs and there are false Mahdis. Many of each have come and gone.

Well, Christ already came, and we did not treat him very well, so I guess that he won´t come back. By the way, I do not think that Muslims,Jewish or Christians could accept a messias from another religion as their own, just think that betewen Christians there were many problems to accept the pope,imagine betewen different religions!

 

[Doc.S]

Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe

Quote myself:

Doppleganger are mentioning with the cultural invasion for starters.

I found the Video that was shown on our mainstream media 4 a-clock in the morning when almost all sweds was still in bead dreaming of their summer vacation. This Video was never again shown in sweden. :?

Look at VIDEO Swedes Struggle With Immigrants and you will see that Mahdi is not needed over here. It has already started. This is not a BS story. Our own broadcasting media cheif did agree to that this report was reliable and not a hokes (correct information). We only report our news differently, end of quote. Welcome to my reality and my world outsiders. 8)

LINK:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html

Doc.S
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