The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe!

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They're the same species of human that anyone from North America or Europe is. They're people like you and I and just as intelligent. The difference is that they don't have access to the same information and choices that we do. Some of them make very bad decisions formulated on ignorance that is no fault of their own.
 
gladius wrote:
You're right, I agree with you Europe would not sit back. They will put up a fight.

I never really said the Islamics are going to win. But what I am saying from the mentality I see going there right now, the Europeans will make it easier for a united Muslim empire to do this to them.

The Europeans will win eventualy, but they way things are going on right now the price for doing so will be very high. The Europeans are making their bed, so to speak, and they will have to lay on it.
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Anyone remember WW2 from School? There has to be a couple of million dead people before anyone react and their eyes opens up. :D


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Doc.S said:
gladius wrote:
You're right, I agree with you Europe would not sit back. They will put up a fight.

I never really said the Islamics are going to win. But what I am saying from the mentality I see going there right now, the Europeans will make it easier for a united Muslim empire to do this to them.

The Europeans will win eventualy, but they way things are going on right now the price for doing so will be very high. The Europeans are making their bed, so to speak, and they will have to lay on it.
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Anyone remember WW2 from School? There has to be a couple of million dead people before anyone react and their eyes opens up. :D


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Doc.S
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good point, just like the last time
 
It's just not going to happen, a war/invasion/terror regime may occur, but they will not be succesful. People are too free willed/minded in the west. We will not let ourselves be oppressed by such a system after how ever many years of freedom. Our values system will not allow it and it goes against everything we stand for. Anyway, I think you'd find that if war like that did occur the next day you'd have every male of fighting age lining up to enlist.
 
AussieNick said:
It's just not going to happen, a war/invasion/terror regime may occur, but they will not be succesful. People are too free willed/minded in the west. We will not let ourselves be oppressed by such a system after how ever many years of freedom. Our values system will not allow it and it goes against everything we stand for. Anyway, I think you'd find that if war like that did occur the next day you'd have every male of fighting age lining up to enlist.
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But by the time every male started to enlist the war would already be underway, who knows how many people would have had already died.

What some of us are trying to say here that the way Europe is going, is that most (not all), but most Europeans will probably not want to do anything till an actual invasion takes place. The politically correct attitude which now overwhelms Europe is most likely one of the key factors which will make this war a possibility in the first place. Similar again to WWII how long did it take for people to react?

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You know it's your favorite, Sherman! All hail gladius!

He schools up all the other conspiracy WWIII sites on the net! Seriously! All those guys are rookies!
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Lol. I got game! You hear that---game! Lol. j/k.

Hey Sherman you live in Israel, right, you know when the Mahdi shows up, one of the first places he'll visit is over there. You need to be prepared so you can give him a nice IDF welcome.

Seriouly though, what alot of those other WWIII theorist don't have is critical information, the kind of information that has significant meaning to almost 1.5 billion people. Not only is it information, it is a mandate which needs to be fullfilled in order finally prove their religion true.

What significantly affects a big chunk as 1.5 billion is eventually going to likely touch the world one way or the other. Yet most in the West have no clue about it.

I'm sure people say other countries can cause WWIII, but they are pretty much just guesses, there is no true driving force behind it, no mandate. There has to be a very strong cause and reason for the people to be willing to follow a leader who will make this happen. With those other theories all you have are scenarios, and yes they may be plausible, but there is no really strong overwhelming cause for their leader and peoples to actually make it happen. Having a way to do it doesn't mean it will be done, there needs to be a will that will follow through.
 
Like I was saying before, a coordinated invasion of Europe from both inside its borders, combined with a large invasion force from outside has a good chance of penatrating deep into European territory. If both an invasion and a in-country population uprising are done at the same time, Europe will find itself in a dire predicament, and finding an easy desicive victory will be near impossible.

If you watch the video of the following article you will almost have a clear picture of what I mean. Of how this in-country populous will come into effect in the case of an invasion.

Swedes Reach Muslim Breaking Point
Friday, November 26, 2004
By Steve Harrigan
VIDEO
MALMO, Sweden — Swedish authorities in the southern city of Malmo (search) have been busy with a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants — 90 percent of whom are unemployed and many who are angry and taking it out on the country that took them in.....

There are some neighborhoods Swedish ambulance drivers will not go to without a police escort. Angry crowds have threatened them, telling them which patient to take and which ones to leave behind.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html
click on link inside the VIDEO box entitled "Swedes Struggle With Immigrants"




Like I pointed out the Islamic Empire will not have the sophisticated weapons of the West, altough they will try to close the tech gap, the rest they will make up for with fanaticism and manpower, trading men for equipment. They will have somewhere in the amount of 2000-4000 divisions (my original estimation of 1000 fell far short).

At the start of the war the Europeans even combined with the US will have approximately 50-80 top of the line, first rate divisions, these can carry out offensive missions and can be expected to fight an inferior enemy to a ratio of 3 to 1 or even 5 to 1. They then can call up their reserves of approximately 150-200 divisions, these are not first rate divisions rather mainly back-up troops and can mostly only be counted for defensive missions, at the most they can be expected to hold out against an enemy to a ratio of 2 to 1.

The West will have a combined total of 250+ divisions vs an enemy of 2000-4000 divisions, in which case they will be expected to hold out against odds of 10 to 1 or even 20 to 1. With this numerical superiority the Islamic Empire will be able to attack at multiple fronts at once, by wresting control of both the Mediterranian and part of the Black Sea (both of which are enclosed spaces and not open ocean), by using numerous amounts of small cheap vessels which will fare well in enclosed spaces, equiped with sunburn missles (which Iran now posseses).

This kind of multiple front war may cause the West to be totaly overwhelmed, in any case breakouts by the Islamics may occur at various points of the front. This will happen with a coordinated attack from the in-country Islamic populous of the coutries being invaded. This will create a one-two punch that may severly hamper any effort by the Allies, overwhelming them even further. This is why I am saying this invasion will penetrate deep into European soil, and even cause them to resort to a defensive war of attrition, trading land for time in order to kill as much of the enemy as possible in order to make a desicive counter-attack. Whatever the stategy this war will not be easily won as most people think.

An invasion is one thing, but with the help of a large amounts of in- country populations who are willing to fight the country they are living in, is why I am saying there is a true danger of this overwhelming the Europeans. If you had watched the video in the article at least you will have an idea of what this war will entail. Not to mention countries like Germany where a good part of the economy depends on Muslim imigrants such as these, a partial if not full economic collapse may occur. One or the other may be easier to stop, but the combination of both is the true danger of this occuring, somewhere down the road some 10 or 20 years, by then the European immigration problems will be far worse than it is now, if they don't do anything about it.
 
There is one factor that we ave all been missing that turns the war more to the Islamists favor. The cowardice of Westerners. We have had the concept of non violence drilled into our heads so much since birth that most Western Men are wimps now who scared s#*&less of the idea of dying that they would rather run than fighting for what is theirs. Trust me, I live with them, and these wussies would rather run for the hills and live than stand and fight like real men. It really is pitiful to think that this is what we have come to, a world where men would rather run or give up then fight to the end. Islamists on the other hand did not have such things drilled into them, they were taught to be brave, stand and fight for their lives, to not lie down and take it. For that, I respect them, and acknowledge that they have kept a few strong character points that we see as uncivil. This could tip the scales toward them.
 
not to mention that most westerners couldnt run a mile to save their lives....well over half of the western world is obese due to McDonalds and Playstations...but the Muslims do not have a comfy life....they would have had to work all their lifes long and hard....which would mean they are fighting fit
 
beardo said:
not to mention that most westerners couldnt run a mile to save their lives....well over half of the western world is obese due to McDonalds and Playstations...but the Muslims do not have a comfy life....they would have had to work all their lifes long and hard....which would mean they are fighting fit
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Heh, the military would have quite a job with the drafties.

But anyways, some biological and possibly mini-nuclear attacks on Europe would really do them in- their small militaries couldn't hold together with emergency aid, supressing terrorist uprisings in other parts of the country, and perhaps the said "Mahdi" army, albeit technologically inferior, with large numbers and a nation in chaos, that fancy new laser guided missile ain't gonna save the day.

Of course there's the USA, but I'm guessing they would "take care" of us before they embark into Europe. As in, nuclear/biological attack on us first. Or better yet, if China was to tie up the US in asia....

Of course like gladius has said, they probably won't win, but the damage is still there.
 
This is one of the most interesting threads on the forums, thanx to many peoples efforts of giving it a broad and deep reality if I may say so. I just want to comment this cowardice of the West. It is very true that over here , as gladius mentioned, a large part of the majority in every European country in the boarders and grasp of EU have systematicly been set up for a perfect indoctrination that have lead to a wide spread pacifist mentality. I was borned in 1977 and in the enviroment where I grew up on the country side the television and video-games and computers was not as important as I can only imagine that it was for kids growing up in the big-citys that was hit first with this indoctrination of perfect harmony with our new neighbours.

Sweden as I remember it from my younger years did have alot of Imigrants but not from the parts of the world where Islam was as strong as it is. This country did have alot of nordic imigrants that was needed becuase of the lack of work-force over here. However as I can remember this indoctrination of the people that have lead them to become this pacifist people in there hearts and minds with total confidence of our gov and different authoritys began in the early 90ths. A large number of imigrants were dumped into this country without any plan how to deal with their future in the longer perspective. This country was over runned in a couple of years in a frightening speed.

Pockets of people in the outskirts of the major citys did put up a fight against this indoctrination program in the mid 90ths but the attempt was futile when the gov and all established and acknowledge partys togheter with the media radio/tv was in total control. A small wave of nationalist self preservation did go though this country but it was very quickly crushed by the established partys and the media as something evil and ugly. Well this was far from evil and ugly it was more like you should remember your country and your flag. You should honor our history and sing our national anthem without being (feeling) ashamed.

Naturaly there was forces of more extreme opinions in the right wing that felt wind in their sails and that was what the established and acknowledged partys togheter with the media radio/tv used and focused all their efforts to show. When ppl saw evil deeds performed by evil-men/women being conducted the gov` strangled all critical voices of this rappid deployment of foreign immigrants to this country. Every critical voice in a healthy way gets effectivly killed by words as racist, neo-nazi, foreign phobia and other very effective and strong words to silence all opposition. A great number of different organisations over here riced up over night where critical voices are registrated with words and pictures as potential hit-lists.

"Racist" related crimes were headlines and the perpetrators were hanged out in media,and lost their jobs. Racists is now equal compared with nationalist and patriotism and all lines between them are erased. Now in 2000 no one want´s or dares to question this established fiasco of integration policy over here. There was a plan to get the people in but there was no plan how to deal with the problems that followed in their policys footprints. Now a large part of the major citys are not assimilated to our values at all, a great deal of despair, disorder, anger and distrust and fear at some places through dread have been growing up in this country.

I dare to say that the integration policy is totaly insaine and it is not working as it should work. The new citizens are aliens in our own country, our citizens moves out from the citys and the bridge heads are growing smaller for every year that goes between them that still think and still dare to questioning this flop and those who does not. The foreigners are not the ones who are being assimilated to our socitey, it is we the people who are born over here that are assimilated into a chaos of the feeling that you are a refugee in your own country and you have nothing that stands between "you and them" notice I say them. This is not in word how it should be interpreted in its substance. There are no patriotism left in this country.

There are nothing that the people can say straight out that can´t be interpreted wrong. It is ugly and wrong to question our established and acknowledged partys. Every new party that is maybe looking at this as a problem are hastly exposed as racists, neo-nazi or in other ways exposed as dangerous people where the media/radio/tv frighten the people back to there old chairs and this madness can escalate with no plan how to deal with this when the bubble cracks. My own gov doens`t recognize these problems and they are out there in the EU trying to spread the same message to other countrys that the swedish model is the best one and that more countrys should do the same? Why have experts asked themselfe?. Maby the answer on this one is that they dont want to stand alone when this situation hits hells.

I am completly convinced that our closest scandinavian neighbours have alot to learn sweden about how we should have dealt with this integration policy and the swedish liberal way. Finland is a good example of a country that still have realistic quotient when it comes to integration and refugee policy. Why people will not fight over here is the lack of country identification, in some schools and on other places in this country it is forbidden for the students and the kids to even sing or learn to sing our national anthem, and even if they learned the anthem a great part of it is cut away because it is nationalistic. Second thing is that I dont think half of them will ever know what hit them if it should happend over here. They trust in what the established partys have served them in maby 15-20 years time.

People dont dare to question the gov they may be targeted by the media or by some group of them that have made this question to a almost holy crusade to hunt down and silence critical voices. The other part that probably would put up a fight is people outside the big citys but they would probably be silenced by our own military or the police while the gov still have some control over the situation. The third part is people that have understand that this would be suicide even with the police or parts of the homeguards to try to stop. As I said. My landlord is a Syrian ex commando with experiance from the artillery and a scientist with biological knowledge. He is considered as a "christian" Syrian, and he told me the exact same thing that gladius mentioned about the difference between us the west and them the east where you have a whole different way to look on human life and its values.

If Mhadi would show up in lets say in the next five years that is how opptimistic I have afford to be when it comes to this question over here. I am looking at a country in "enemy" hands in maybe a period of a week or less. There will be no other countries that can send support to help us out, they will have there hands full of trouble for themselfe and maby local resistance on some places can be left as in France or as the brave Norwegian resistance that can make way for any form of help from the outside world when it hits. Problem is that this war, if we thought WW1 or WW2 was bloody with many civilian war victims, this war will make those numbers fade away if you ask me today.

I have a great respect for different people and I am a very tolerant person, but I cant afford to let my tolerance kill me without knowing that this things actually can happen and that it is importent to lift it up even if it may hurt or even smell bad sometimes. But as I look at this. I think a lie is more uggly then the reality that dont have to stay fiction even if I sincerly hope so. I have great respect for the arab community and their religion as long as there values stay where they are and not inflict on my security or my freedom. If I visit their country I will conduct as it is expected from me as a guest. Following their laws and respect their culture and customs and religion. I only wish that the fundamentalists could have the same respect for me and my family when that day comes. Unfortunately that is only a dream because they have so much more of their culture, religion, and laws that follows the old road that will squeeze this liberal view of harmony and peace and tolerance as a orange in a bloody mixer. I will not stay over here and fight if I can avoid it.

I will take my family out of here rather then be beheaded as an infidel. But I will return and try to liberate my country when the time is right. But not untill then, because any attempts before this old Utopia is erased there will be no peace, there will be no freedom to fight for, there will be no realistic or civil solution on the problem before it is all gone and people begin to think again. I will never fight my own countrymen in a meaningless civil war that has been possible because of some very powerful peoples liberal dreams. Well they can be as liberal as they want but they have to put their liberal dreams in the books of history and in to the reality, they have to understand that to be liberal you have to have a hand that gives something liberal back, and think harder then they do today to make this work in the reality, they have to see beyond this Utopia dream and put in religion and culture on a whole different level to even get close to the reality. Maby as a European I am a clown or should I say a circus dog that you can train to sit and jump through rings of fire. But you dont train a Lion with a wip or with a big medicin ball if you dont have enough meat in the freezer. You dont buy a cat and try to make it into a dog that locates drugs on airports, that is Hollywood my friends. And to them that thinks I am a racist or something like that. I only say this. There is something that is called convert racism where you are as much shit as the racist may think about the foreigner on the other side of the street, dont forget that.

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*LOL*

Outraged? naaa that is a strong word (feeling relieved) anger manegment is priority one. Cracking? For now it is only the big cities that are cracking down. A man/women have to look in to the complete mechanics of the body to be sure if someone or something is cracking down. "This post restores physical and mental well-being", making it easier for persons to face the unavoidable future if they didn´t noticed it before. If someone tries to addresses the whole person, you have to look carefully at lifestyle, nutrition and psychosomatics. But that is a hard thing to see over the internet I agree. :lol: ;)

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