The German campaign of conquering Britain

Right, now. Before I sign off, allow me to put you back on-topic.

Tell me all you know about Operation Sealion, and also The Battle of Britain in the air.

I will enjoy that, I was there.

Get the politics moved to the political threads, under the correct titles.

And don't accept any of Olliegarchy's dud £67 notes.


COMMAND THE FUTURE, CONQUER THE PAST.
 
Doppleganger said:
Firstly, I have dismissed no-one's opinion. "All opinions are valid. You, however, have dismissed other people's opinions and have resorted to 'shouting' (in netspeak) and immature name-calling."


1.The name calling is not immature, it is carefully targetted and accurately researched. I have told you before that i am not computor literate.So what?

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"Secondly it is my belief that either a) you do not have the intellectual capacity to understand what Ollie is saying or b) you do understand but do not want to hear what you believe challenged in a mature and thoughtful way. I'm not entirely sure which it is but why else would you act in this childish way?"


2. I could not agree less. One man's childishness is another man's accuracy.

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"Thirdly, Churchill's speeches in the Houses of Commons had very little to do with why Germany lost WWII. "


Hello - WRONG. They have absolutely everything to do with why Hitler lost WW11. And surely Germany won. Look where America has put them now. And Churchill orchestrated the efforts which saved germany from the evil clutches of the Nazis. Be very thankful. I accept in anticipation.

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"You are vastly overplaying the military and political significance that Britain,"


Complete rubbish. Britain was Hitler's obstacle.

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" If I had to pick one man who had the biggest hand in Germany's downfall it would be that other murderer Joseph Stalin. His speech on November 7th, 1941 at Red Square had way more impact on the outcome of the war than any of Churchill's speeches ever did. It stiffened the resolve of the Russian people when they needed it the most and quelled the mass panic that was bubbling up and threatening to overwhelm the civilian population and Red Army alike. Mass murderer and psychopath though he remained, it was a brilliant speech by Comrade Stalin."



Applauding here. Agreement. Very good point. Except for the usual casual under-estimating of Churchill's efforts.

So why on earth did the little nutter attack Russia, flying in the face of History( I keep warning you about this)? I could have told him that was a No-no. Unbelievable. It was his greatest mistake after starting WW11, when only he wanted such.


COMMAND THE FUTURE, CONQUER THE PAST.
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Doppleganger said:
Firstly, I have dismissed no-one's opinion. "All opinions are valid. You, however, have dismissed other people's opinions and have resorted to 'shouting' (in netspeak) and immature name-calling."


1.The name calling is not immature, it is carefully targetted and accurately researched. I have told you before that i am not computor literate.So what?

..............................................................



"Secondly it is my belief that either a) you do not have the intellectual capacity to understand what Ollie is saying or b) you do understand but do not want to hear what you believe challenged in a mature and thoughtful way. I'm not entirely sure which it is but why else would you act in this childish way?"


2. I could not agree less. One man's childishness is another man's accuracy.

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"Thirdly, Churchill's speeches in the Houses of Commons had very little to do with why Germany lost WWII. "


Hello - WRONG. They have absolutely everything to do with why Hitler lost WW11. And surely Germany won? Look where America has put them now. And Churchill orchestrated the efforts which saved germany from the evil clutches of the Nazis. Be very thankful. I accept in anticipation.

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"You are vastly overplaying the military and political significance that Britain....."


Complete rubbish. Britain was Hitler's obstacle.

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" If I had to pick one man who had the biggest hand in Germany's downfall it would be that other murderer Joseph Stalin. His speech on November 7th, 1941 at Red Square had way more impact on the outcome of the war than any of Churchill's speeches ever did. It stiffened the resolve of the Russian people when they needed it the most and quelled the mass panic that was bubbling up and threatening to overwhelm the civilian population and Red Army alike. Mass murderer and psychopath though he remained, it was a brilliant speech by Comrade Stalin."



Applauding here. Agreement. Very good point. Except for the usual casual under-estimating of Churchill's efforts.

So why on earth did the little nutter attack Russia, flying in the face of History( I keep warning you about this)? I could have told him that was a No-no. Unbelievable. It was his greatest mistake after starting WW11, when only he wanted such.


COMMAND THE FUTURE, CONQUER THE PAST.
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Ollie Garchy adopts Delboy's writing style:

"I right on the think, becauce History, minus the thinking way. I there was, shoring yup. Delboy, with his notes of $67, nobody takes any agreement up the borderline. Evidence and quandry all simultanious, when considering victory. Educated, once, in ancient moonshine. Sparta. Stalin, Delboy, lying on. Real, trivial, but not the thing of starts. Time demonstrable. I am right".

Delboy, think about T.S. Eliot when contemplating the interwar:

T.S. Eliot, "The Waste Land" (1922)

"APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers.
Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee
With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade,
And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten,
And drank coffee, and talked for an hour.
Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt deutsch.
And when we were children, staying at the archduke's,
My cousin's, he took me out on a sled,
And I was frightened. He said, Marie,
Marie, hold on tight. And down we went.
In the mountains, there you feel free.
I read, much of the night, and go south in the winter..."

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Well Ollie, it's an improvement, it's about the most sensible and pertinent post you've made on the subject to date.

You did forget that most famous of Adolph's sayings though. "Here Eva, you bite on this, then I'll shoot myself" (loud applause is heard in the background). After which their friends and supporters took them both out for a Barbecue, and we all lived happily ever after.

Now what are we to look forward to,.... a short diatribe on the funny side of dying of the Ebola virus whilst a team of mutant dwarves hammer 15cm nails into your genitals?
 
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Ollie Garchy said:
Ollie Garchy adopts Delboy's writing style:

"I right on the think, becauce History, minus the thinking way. I there was, shoring yup. Delboy, with his notes of $67, nobody takes any agreement up the borderline. Evidence and quandry all simultanious, when considering victory. Educated, once, in ancient moonshine. Sparta. Stalin, Delboy, lying on. Real, trivial, but not the thing of starts. Time demonstrable. I am right".

Delboy, think about T.S. Eliot when contemplating the interwar:

T.S. Eliot, "The Waste Land" (1922)

"APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers.
Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee
With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade,
And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten,
And drank coffee, and talked for an hour.
Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt deutsch.
And when we were children, staying at the archduke's,
My cousin's, he took me out on a sled,
And I was frightened. He said, Marie,
Marie, hold on tight. And down we went.
In the mountains, there you feel free.
I read, much of the night, and go south in the winter..."

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HERE IS YOUR NAZI CHAMPION AND HIS HIGH- FALLUTING ARGUMENT - HIS TOWERING INTELLECT. UNLIKE SOME OF US, NO IMPERIAL COLLEGE STYLE HERE!

WHAT A LOAD OF OLD BOLLOCKS HE SPOUTS. AND HE HAS TO KEEP PRETENDING HE IS ME! HE THINKS HE CAN USE RIDICULE! THIS PRATT NEEDS TO GET A LIFE. GOOD FOR A CHEAP LAUGH I SUPPOSE, EVEN IF HE DOES TALK LIKE AN IGNORAMUS!



COMMANDTHE FUTURE, CONQUER THE PAST.
 
Doppleganger said:
"had very little to do with why Germany lost WWII. You are vastly overplaying the military and political significance that Britain,"


HELLO, wake up at the back. This IS the thread about the hitler's invasion campaign of Britain, rEmember, NOT the Nazi election programme.


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As Olliegarchy is so interested in my work, I will happily leave him with my famous epitaph to his great hero :-


ADOLPH HITLER,
BRAIN WAS S***.
NASTY BASTARD...
.....THAT WAS IT.
 
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Del Boy said:
Doppleganger said:
"had very little to do with why Germany lost WWII. You are vastly overplaying the military and political significance that Britain,"


HELLO, wake up at the back. This IS the thread about the hitler's invasion campaign of Britain, rEmember, NOT the Nazi election programme.
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What on earth are you on about? What has my comment regarding that Great Britain was not primarily responsible for the defeat of Germany have to do with what you wrote above?!

I think you are a troll and are just trying to keep things stirred up. Del Boy, grow up mate.
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My point is a simple one. Stop being Olliegarchy's familiar and get back on topic. Britain - Hitler, hitler- Britain. Russia????? Hello???
 
Del Boy said:
My point is a simple one. Stop being Olliegarchy's familiar and get back on topic. Britain - Hitler, hitler- Britain. Russia????? Hello???
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A simple one on point is mine in the time. Familiar topics Britain, Hitler, Eva, the and one on the hello. Prat, Ollie is, Hitler man in the dubious accustomed militancy. Again, relative the time. Or, relative mine. We don't know. History has not told us that.

But.......Churchill says "Be a peace, Mother", and reflection is truth on matter of origins war. WE KOW!!!!!HOly Kow!!!!!.............


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Argument mine. I win! VIcTORY AT THE END!!!


So, NAZI-Man, Churchill kicked ass yours.ladfjöljasfjafkljasdf
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Del Boy said:
My point is a simple one. Stop being Olliegarchy's familiar and get back on topic. Britain - Hitler, hitler- Britain. Russia????? Hello???
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You know I'm impressed with you Del Boy, really I am. Could this be the first post you've made where you haven't mentioned the Lord Almighty, the Rt Hon, Lord Sir Winston Churchill, Knight Commander of the British Empire, scourge of the Huns, slayer of the Mongols, basher of the boche, devourer of the fritz, inventor of sliced bread, saviour of the known Universe. The Lord God Churchill above will not be pleased with you Del Boy, for you have forsaken Him.
 
Doppleganger said:
You know I'm impressed with you Del Boy, really I am. Could this be the first post you've made where you haven't mentioned the Lord Almighty, the Rt Hon, Lord Sir Winston Churchill, Knight Commander of the British Empire, scourge of the Huns, slayer of the Mongols, basher of the boche, devourer of the fritz, inventor of sliced bread, saviour of the known Universe. The Lord God Churchill above will not be pleased with you Del Boy, for you have forsaken Him.
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Thanks D., I laughed so hard I think I broke something.

ill be damed if i know said:
You guys are just as bad as each other . Shame because i think everyone had valid points.
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Well, we do know what Delboy would think. I started it. Why? For I am Boche. I'll even bet that he can find a Churchill quote to prove it. And then add a dash of Rummel.

Be serious, Damned, how can Churchill's warmongering during the 1930s be representative of anything? Or Rummel? We know one very important thing about WWII. Total war leads to extremes. The killing on both sides intensified as the war went on. I will raise three points:

(1) The SS officially began the industrial killing of Jews after the German armies had stalled at Moscow. The Wannsee Conference represented a significant change in policy from evacuation to outright elimination.

(2) The Russians instituted a system of guerilla/terrorist warfare right from the outset of the German invasion. This policy led to an absolutely brutal partisan war behind German lines. Incidentally, most Soviet civilian deaths resulted because of this policy.

(3) Strategic bombing was another such dynamic. It escalated during WWII to the point where the Allies bombed everything from churches to fleeing refugees. Well over one million civilians (German, Japanese, French, etc.) were killed in a campaign aiming at doing just that. Jesus, the Americans actually nuked Japan. They nuked it. They nuked it. And then justified the actions using the argument that killing civilians saved the lives of soldiers.

Well, sorry folks, but that argument would itself justify German anti-partisan tactics. Who knows? Maybe Dirlewanger and his boys helped save the lives of German soldiers on the eastern front? He obviously did. But that does not mean that the actions were morally acceptable. It is only morally acceptable if you accept the Allied perspective and apply it to the SS. And, frankly, I don't. German anti-partisan actions were as evil as strategic bombing, but both were obviously necessary from a particular point of view. The only difference is one of perspective. "Napalming" a village in Germany or Vietnam, for example, was just easier than lining up the women and children and shooting them by firing squad.

But none of this has any relation to 1 September, 1939. The British/French declaration of war OR the German invasion set this dynamic in motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
 
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Ollie Garchy said:
A simple one on point is mine in the time. Familiar topics Britain, Hitler, Eva, the and one on the hello. Prat, Ollie is, Hitler man in the dubious accustomed militancy. Again, relative the time. Or, relative mine. We don't know. History has not told us that.

But.......Churchill says "Be a peace, Mother", and reflection is truth on matter of origins war. WE KOW!!!!!HOly Kow!!!!!.............


adsfasdfasasfsdfasfjkdfj
fdsfasdfaasddfasddfsasdf
asdfasddfsas
asddfljlajasdfjaödfsjkasdfjkaödfjöldfsflöfjlasdfjasdfjköafkljasfjafjlajsdasdf

Argument mine. I win! VIcTORY AT THE END!!!


So, NAZI-Man, Churchill kicked ass yours.ladfjöljasfjafkljasdf
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONFESSION, AND ALL IN YOUR OWN WORDS, NOT A WORD FROM ME.

JUST ABOUT SUMS UP YOUR DEBATING SKILLS.
 
Doppleganger said:
You know I'm impressed with you Del Boy, really I am. Could this be the first post you've made where you haven't mentioned the Lord Almighty, the Rt Hon, Lord Sir Winston Churchill, Knight Commander of the British Empire, scourge of the Huns, slayer of the Mongols, basher of the boche, devourer of the fritz, inventor of sliced bread, saviour of the known Universe. The Lord God Churchill above will not be pleased with you Del Boy, for you have forsaken Him.
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ALL YOUR OWN WORDS - NOTHING OF MINE. THANK YOU.
 
Ollie Garchy said:
Thanks D., I laughed so hard I think I broke something.



Well, we do know what Delboy would think. I started it. Why? For I am Boche. I'll even bet that he can find a Churchill quote to prove it. And then add a dash of Rummel.

Be serious, Damned, how can Churchill's warmongering during the 1930s be representative of anything? Or Rummel? We know one very important thing about WWII. Total war leads to extremes. The killing on both sides intensified as the war went on. I will raise three points:

(1) The SS officially began the industrial killing of Jews after the German armies had stalled at Moscow. The Wannsee Conference represented a significant change in policy from evacuation to outright elimination.

(2) The Russians instituted a system of guerilla/terrorist warfare right from the outset of the German invasion. This policy led to an absolutely brutal partisan war behind German lines. Incidentally, most Soviet civilian deaths resulted because of this policy.

(3) Strategic bombing was another such dynamic. It escalated during WWII to the point where the Allies bombed everything from churches to fleeing refugees. Well over one million civilians (German, Japanese, French, etc.) were killed in a campaign aiming at doing just that. Jesus, the Americans actually nuked Japan. They nuked it. They nuked it. And then justified the actions using the argument that killing civilians saved the lives of soldiers.

Well, sorry folks, but that argument would itself justify German anti-partisan tactics. Who knows? Maybe Dirlewanger and his boys helped save the lives of German soldiers on the eastern front? He obviously did. But that does not mean that the actions were morally acceptable. It is only morally acceptable if you accept the Allied perspective and apply it to the SS. And, frankly, I don't. German anti-partisan actions were as evil as strategic bombing, but both were obviously necessary from a particular point of view. The only difference is one of perspective. "Napalming" a village in Germany or Vietnam, for example, was just easier than lining up the women and children and shooting them by firing squad.

But none of this has any relation to 1 September, 1939. The British/French declaration of war OR the German invasion set this dynamic in motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
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ONCE AGAIN YOU TRY TO PASS YOUR NONSENSE OFF AS MINE! I AM OF COURSE FLATTERED, BUT YOU ARE SIMPLY ARGUING WITH YOURSELF. THE FIRST SIGN OF YOU KNOW WHAT, OLD CHAP. BY THE WAY, I HAVEN'T EVEN NEEDED TO READ IT TO RECOGNISE THE SAME OLD ROT. I COULD, OF COURSE, GO THROUGH IT AND SEPERATE THE LIES OUT FOR ACCURACY. BUT I DON'T CARE TO, I'M BUSY.
 
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I should rephrase my last sentence. The start of the war, however you want to look at it, set the killing dynamic in motion. It took the participants down paths that were inconceivable at the time. The future is always unknowable.

It is important to view the events of WWII and keep Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in mind. The more you concentrate on one issue, the less you know about others. While not really the same as quantum mechanics, these ideas can help us understand some of the problems associated with complex phenomena.

Werner Heisenberg: "I believe that the existence of the classical "path" can be pregnantly formulated as follows: The "path" comes into existence only when we observe it".

But we are talking about origins, ie. before the war.
 
Ollie Garchy said:
Thanks D., I laughed so hard I think I broke something.



Well, we do know what Delboy would think. I started it. Why? For I am Boche. I'll even bet that he can find a Churchill quote to prove it. And then add a dash of Rummel.

Be serious, Damned, how can Churchill's warmongering during the 1930s be representative of anything? Or Rummel? We know one very important thing about WWII. Total war leads to extremes. The killing on both sides intensified as the war went on. I will raise three points:

(1) The SS officially began the industrial killing of Jews after the German armies had stalled at Moscow. The Wannsee Conference represented a significant change in policy from evacuation to outright elimination.

(2) The Russians instituted a system of guerilla/terrorist warfare right from the outset of the German invasion. This policy led to an absolutely brutal partisan war behind German lines. Incidentally, most Soviet civilian deaths resulted because of this policy.

(3) Strategic bombing was another such dynamic. It escalated during WWII to the point where the Allies bombed everything from churches to fleeing refugees. Well over one million civilians (German, Japanese, French, etc.) were killed in a campaign aiming at doing just that. Jesus, the Americans actually nuked Japan. They nuked it. They nuked it. And then justified the actions using the argument that killing civilians saved the lives of soldiers.

Well, sorry folks, but that argument would itself justify German anti-partisan tactics. Who knows? Maybe Dirlewanger and his boys helped save the lives of German soldiers on the eastern front? He obviously did. But that does not mean that the actions were morally acceptable. It is only morally acceptable if you accept the Allied perspective and apply it to the SS. And, frankly, I don't. German anti-partisan actions were as evil as strategic bombing, but both were obviously necessary from a particular point of view. The only difference is one of perspective. "Napalming" a village in Germany or Vietnam, for example, was just easier than lining up the women and children and shooting them by firing squad.

But none of this has any relation to 1 September, 1939. The British/French declaration of war OR the German invasion set this dynamic in motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
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1) Churchill wasnt in charge when britain declared war on germany , he was the first sea lord of the admirailty not prime minister , what has his warmongering personalty got to do with the outbreak of the war ? He wasnt in the 30s the majority opinion within the british government .

2) Russia was fighting on its home land , it would want to do ANYTHING to fight the germans, this does not excuse german attrocities towards civilians.

3)Yes argueably the Allied bombing campiagn went to far with regards to bombing things like churches, schools etc but by your reasoning ( german brutality in russia) the allies had the right to do so because the civilians were supporting their army , supplies weapons etc Strategic bombing could be compared to german attrocities in the east but the bombing of important targets was a necessary evil to take down nazi germany. Of course the deliberate targeting of civilains is where this point of view changes.



with respect

Ill be damed
 
Ollie Garchy said:
Thanks D., I laughed so hard I think I broke something.



"Well, we do know what Delboy would think. I started it. Why? For I am Boche. I'll even bet that he can find a Churchill quote to prove it. And then add a dash of Rummel."

How can you know what I would think ? Therefore your statement qualifies as a direct lie.


"Be serious, Damned, how can Churchill's warmongering during the 1930s be representative of anything?"

Another direct lie slipped in. Churchill did everything in his power throughout the 30s to press for peace. His Hansard officially recorded speeches show this over and over again. If Olliegarchy refutes this I will present examples with pleasure.

"Or Rummel ?" .

"Hello, what have you got against Rummel again, suddenly. Shoot the messenger, why don't you?




(1) "The SS officially began the industrial killing of Jews after the German armies had stalled at Moscow. "

Oh well -that's allright then.!!??? Note "officially" and "industrial". Also "SS". Even supposing the claim is true.






(2) The Russians....


Hello , Britain - Hitler, Hitler - Britain? Get on-topic. I won't even go there at the moment and waste any of my time. Sure as eggs are eggs I would unscramble the same mish-mash of lies and distortions. But that would take a different thread. Here it becomes merely Nazi apologist propaganda.

3. Same as above.


"But none of this has any relation to 1 September, 1939. The British/French declaration of war OR the German invasion set this dynamic in motion."


RIGHT -only Hitler was responsible bfor that.

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