How to stop China

[Duty Honor Country]

There was a video released by the US showing an incident where Chinese fighters were extremeyl close to a different recon plane

"SEC. RUMSFELD: Well -- save it. (Radio dialogue continues.) Look at the plane's mushy behavior. You can see he's flying at a very slow speed for a fighter aircraft. (Radio dialogue.) Those planes are not designed to fly at 250 knots. (Radio dialogue.) You notice, there's a propeller; you can see how close it was, and you can see the angle of attack on the fighter aircraft. He's trying to fly much slower than he's supposed to be flying, and as a result his nose is kind of -- (inaudible). (Radio dialogue.)"

http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh01041402.html

It took me a while to find anything on that video.

 

[Kinection]

China never provoked any communis political revolt in neighbouring countries. Even if u said North Korea, China's purpose is to prevent US from spying the China land if they won the Korean war and establish Information centre in North Korea. Vietnam war was provoked by Soviet Union.

I always thought it was because China feared that the west could use North Korea to attack CHina, not because of spying...

 

[Big_Z]

Doody I was quoting someone. Ill make it look a little less confusing.

6. Also few years ago. USA planes went to spy the China land in China teritory. A Chinese pilot went to stop them but they refuse to do so. And accident happen,the pilot died. And what about the spies in the plane who got caught by China? China released them all. And yet USA rufuse to apologize............

5 and 6 once the dipolomatic relationship between USA and China in a verybad condition and can simply influent the worldwide economic and politics developement.

1,2,3 and 4 Made the world dangerous in terrorism. Islam world were taken as a very evil side commonly by others.

I think it's time for u guyz to do a "HOW TO STOP USA" thread here.

Umm America has caught Chinese spies before....... They werent just flying over either..

 

[zbsilb]

china forever!

no one can stop china and chinese forward, though now china get some problems, but western countries 100 or 200 years ago had the same problems too, for instance democracy, worker problem, innovation problem and military problem.i think china and chinese will overcome it ,but be patient.

 

[SAINT]

Nobody's stopping China... that is unless China starts an invasion :? it'll have to be stopped.

 

[Ezechiel]

Umm America has caught Chinese spies before....... They werent just flying over either..

Even Taiwan have spies in China mainland.

And I wonder how USA did to those Chinese spies.

My point is,China cuaght all the planes members (25 of them rite?) but they treat them well and send them back home without USA coming and negotiate and blablablablablabla.................isn't this showing enuff that China r peaceful country?

 

[Redneck]

You're forgetting how our servicemen ended up in Chinese custody in the first place. Their treatment never would have been an issue if it were not for the overly aggressive actions of a Chinese pilot.

 

[Duty Honor Country]

"the general rules of international law which find particular expression in Articles 25 and 37 of the Chicago Convention of 1944, States are required to render assistance to aircraft in distress in their territory and to permit, subject to control by their own authorities, the owners of the aircraft or authorities of the States in which the aircraft is registered to provide such measures of assistance as may be necessitated by the circumstances."

http://www.idi-iil.org/idiE/resolutionsE/1971_zag_04_en.pdf

I believe the American aircraft issued a distress call over international waters. According to the Chicago Convention, the seisure of the plane was illegal. Those are not the actions of a peaceful nation.

 

[FlyingFrog]

In American words "Very Sorry" is not "Apology"?

On April 11, Minister Tang Jiaxuan received a letter from the US Government saying "very sorry" for the US military surveillance plane ramming into and destroying a Chinese military plane, handed by the representative plenipotentiary of the US Government and US Ambassador Pruecher.

On April 12, the Chinese Government decided to allow the 24 crewmembers of the US plane to leave China.

On June 2, China and US held negotiations on the technical arrangements of the disassembling and transportation of the US EP-3 military surveillance plane and reached an agreement.

On the evening of July 4, the disassembling and transportation working of the US EP-3 military surveillance plane fully was finished.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-12/05/content_1215955.htm

 

[Kinection]

Doody, I think that applies if the aircraft is not hostile. I'm not sure if spying is considered hostile, but I really don't think it's all to friendly either.

 

[FlyingFrog]

Doody, I think that applies if the aircraft is not hostile. I'm not sure if spying is considered hostile, but I really don't think it's all to friendly either.

Sure, if some day in the future Chinese jets fly close to the American coast to collect some signals that would be appreciated by Amercians or at least not bothered at all.

 

[Duty Honor Country]

Doody, I think that applies if the aircraft is not hostile. I'm not sure if spying is considered hostile, but I really don't think it's all to friendly either.

"The U.S. case is weakened to some extent by a provision in the Convention on the Law of the Sea that vessels "collecting information to the prejudice of the defense or security of the coastal state" are not entitled to innocent passage within territorial waters, usually defined as 12 miles off shore."

It seems that military spy craft do not have protection. My bad, I was wrong!!!

SGT Doody

 

[Ezechiel]

In American words "Very Sorry" is not "Apology"?

On April 11, Minister Tang Jiaxuan received a letter from the US Government saying "very sorry" for the US military surveillance plane ramming into and destroying a Chinese military plane, handed by the representative plenipotentiary of the US Government and US Ambassador Pruecher.

Yeah, They wrote a letter and mentioned VERY SORRY. Than China release all 24 hostages. The whole world taken this as apology.

After that, Bush came out and said : WE DIDN'T APOLOGIZE, VERY SORRY DOESN'T MEANS APOLOGIZE IN ENGLISH, BUT MEANS REGRET FOR THE DEATH OF A PERSON!!!...........

Go ask the USA president Bush, don't come and find me..............

 

[G.A.F.E.S.]

agree

[God, you're trying to penalize the west for protecting herself from communism? Logic? Okay.... whatever you say man.

Protecting? I suppose it's more than provoking. It's no wrong that the western world united and protecting theirselve. But the problem is that the Western countries lead the way into a more extreme side and coz the world more dangerous. I doubt they ever handle this in a soft way.

The plan of Socialism/Communism United League had been planned by Lenin BEFORE Russian became Soviet Union. This dream had only been given and be fullfilled by Stalin only. For it's also a knowledge invented by Karl Marx in his socialism theory.

And then, one thing u must know that, China were not a member of this united league. Which means China remained as neutral and never provoke any Communism revolting cases for these decades. Since China never be such a dangerous role, why do u worry they will be dangerous if they became No.1?

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Before u say China what and what and what, why don't u guyz think about what USA did as the No.1 nowadays?

1. Iraq

2. Afghan (but Afghanistan did survive in good way now, the problem is the act of invasion were still wrong)

3. USA and western countries supported and carry up a few dictators in Middle east area -- The Saudi family in Saudi Arbia is an example, In order to get the oil there.

4. Overlooked African, in the other hand still claiming they r peaceful big brother, who coz so much chaos in middle east.

5. Few years ago, USA "indelibrately", "Carelessly" bombed the Embassy of China. This once lead the world into a dangerous condition.

6. Also few years ago. USA planes went to spy the China land in China teritory. A Chinese pilot went to stop them but they refuse to do so. And accident happen,the pilot died. And what about the spies in the plane who got caught by China? China released them all. And yet USA rufuse to apologize............

5 and 6 once the dipolomatic relationship between USA and China in a verybad condition and can simply influent the worldwide economic and politics developement.

1,2,3 and 4 Made the world dangerous in terrorism. Islam world were taken as a very evil side commonly by others.

I think it's time for u guyz to do a "HOW TO STOP USA" thread here.

I agree .

 

[ravensword227]

Re: agree

I agree .

Thanks for your carefully thought out and insightful reply.

Yeah, They wrote a letter and mentioned VERY SORRY. Than China release all 24 hostages. The whole world taken this as apology.

I took it as acceptable behavior, but Asian leaders can be obsessed about loosing face; they don’t want to look "weak". It doesn’t really bother me anyway because the Soviets used to capture and execute our spies all the time even though we released their spies. No biggie.

On the other hand, there is one country that claimed we were spying on them and they intentionally bombed our ship in international waters, yet the U.S. government has no beef with them. Can anybody guess what I'm referring to? Click here for spoiler.

 

[FlyingFrog]

On the other hand, there is one country that claimed we were spying on them and they intentionally bombed our ship in international waters, yet the U.S. government has no beef with them. Can anybody guess what I'm referring to? Click here for spoiler.

That's totally a different case.
Of course it was a mistake btw 2 friendly countries.

 

[ravensword227]

That's totally a different case.
Of course it was a mistake btw 2 friendly countries.

That's not the way Admiral Moorer and his men have it. They have some pretty strong statements you might want to read.

 

[FlyingFrog]

I knew the Liberty story, but just using common sense, why would Israel attack US ships when US was the main supportor of Israel especially in the beginning time of the establishing of Israel country. It can only be a mistake.

 

[dragon]

China is now unstoppable just like their dominancy of springboard diving/table tennis unstoppable.

 

[Redneck]

Cool it.