Could Germany have defeated the US?
Mark Conley
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very interesting replies...thank you very much
its the way i see it as the only chance Hitler could of had to invade and take the United States...practical that is.
BTW..never underestimate the power of a fifth collum...
Its one of the reasons why they tried to round up the usual suspects...
and with the US Navy ship thing...great Navy, limited ability to move quickly from one ocean to another...anybody concider the effect of taking or destroying the panama canal in this equation?
its the way i see it as the only chance Hitler could of had to invade and take the United States...practical that is.
BTW..never underestimate the power of a fifth collum...
Its one of the reasons why they tried to round up the usual suspects...and with the US Navy ship thing...great Navy, limited ability to move quickly from one ocean to another...anybody concider the effect of taking or destroying the panama canal in this equation?
Uncle_Sam
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Damien435 said:
They were preparing for the war, they knew it was comming. We didn't
Yes that's true ! German for 10 Rooskies, Germans loved their Germany more that Russians Russia
For Germans, there was no one behind them with machinegun, saying "not one step backwards, if You do, You gonna be shot!"
Someone had to force them to fight for their homeland....
GuyontheRight
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Americans love their homland too. Somthing tells me wed be a ***** and half to try to clear out in an invasion
Uncle_Sam
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American Patroitism is the biggest! No question about that
About Patriotism:
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2033&start=135
Enjoy!
No question about that About Patriotism:
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2033&start=135
Enjoy!
GuyontheRight
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If I recall correctly, the JJapanese came very close to doing this, but the Subs were called back to make a last ditch attempt to save Okinawa.
Big_Z
MilForum Recon
Don't leave out the hatred equation. Americans despised the Nazis with every ounce of soul they had. Every American might not fight for our country now adays but back then the rage was so overwhelming I think pretty much everyone would take up arms. Americans can do some pretty ammazing things when it comes to defending their homeland, the brits know this well.
Correct me if I am wrong , but....
....it seems to me that Hitler actually gave a reason for not invading the USA ..... I think he stated that there was no need to invade the USA because of the fact that the USA allowed such a mixture of races and cultures that after awhile inner strife would create a collapse from within , so there was no need for an invasion....BTW Aussie , the reasons I believe are numerous why Germany could never defeat us in WW2 , not the least of which is economic. Socialism as an economic mechanism doesn't work. It is hard to build better tanks when you don't have the $ to manufacture them much less get them on the battlefield....something to ponder.
....it seems to me that Hitler actually gave a reason for not invading the USA ..... I think he stated that there was no need to invade the USA because of the fact that the USA allowed such a mixture of races and cultures that after awhile inner strife would create a collapse from within , so there was no need for an invasion....BTW Aussie , the reasons I believe are numerous why Germany could never defeat us in WW2 , not the least of which is economic. Socialism as an economic mechanism doesn't work. It is hard to build better tanks when you don't have the $ to manufacture them much less get them on the battlefield....something to ponder.
Damien435
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The Nazi's were not socialist, despite what their name suggests, they were fascists, they allowed private ownership with strict government control, socailism allows for no private ownership. Small difference.
And yes, the fleet of 5 submarines was called back to defend Okinawa, just to think, if they had hit Panama Tokyo or Kyoto might not exist anymore, can you imagine how pissed we would be after two sneak attacks like that? One was enough to make us so filled with hatred and rage that we dropped two bombs, they were needed but don't tell that to the hippies.
And yes, the fleet of 5 submarines was called back to defend Okinawa, just to think, if they had hit Panama Tokyo or Kyoto might not exist anymore, can you imagine how pissed we would be after two sneak attacks like that? One was enough to make us so filled with hatred and rage that we dropped two bombs, they were needed but don't tell that to the hippies.
GuyontheRight
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The Nazi's were National Socialists, it is my opinion, from reading a number of works on historians grumbling over trying to find a "generic fascism" that the Nazi government was not "Fascist" as true to the original idea represented by the Italian fascio concept. Just my 2 cents, back to the topic
I agree Damien, that late in the war, if the Canal went, so would a half million Japanese civilians. We wern't playing around.
I agree Damien, that late in the war, if the Canal went, so would a half million Japanese civilians. We wern't playing around.
Damien ,
I appreciate your opinion , however ; the point I was trying to make was not a political one or a military one , but an economic one. I think the architecht of Hitlers economy was a gentleman named Hjalmar Schact ,and he was educated in the US. He was masterful at re-igniting the german economy initially , but I think Hitler replaced him in one of his delusions(Icannot recall though for certain) and the 'Nazi' economy at the point we entered the war was strapped and getting worse(i.e. robbing gold out of mouths) , and that was my reason for opining that in a straight up contest , at that point , they stood no chance against the USA.
I appreciate your opinion , however ; the point I was trying to make was not a political one or a military one , but an economic one. I think the architecht of Hitlers economy was a gentleman named Hjalmar Schact ,and he was educated in the US. He was masterful at re-igniting the german economy initially , but I think Hitler replaced him in one of his delusions(Icannot recall though for certain) and the 'Nazi' economy at the point we entered the war was strapped and getting worse(i.e. robbing gold out of mouths) , and that was my reason for opining that in a straight up contest , at that point , they stood no chance against the USA.
Damien435
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Re: Correct me if I am wrong , but....
Exactly the kind of statement I would expect from a racist like Hitler.
This would have become a war of attrition. Germany had a population of about 50 Million I belive, the US had I blieve about 135 Million people. Germany would be unable to win, same reason they lost to the Soviets, and they would be faced with holding down France, England, North Africa, and Hitler would still have to use German forces to Keep Mussoulini in power. And the US would not sit by and watch as Germany tried to hold down Europe, we would smuggle weapons into Britain, France, and the rest of Europe. Of course another ex-factor is Spain, with France and Britain out of the equation Hitler could have easily aided the Nationalist rising to power there.
SLR owner said:
Exactly the kind of statement I would expect from a racist like Hitler.
This would have become a war of attrition. Germany had a population of about 50 Million I belive, the US had I blieve about 135 Million people. Germany would be unable to win, same reason they lost to the Soviets, and they would be faced with holding down France, England, North Africa, and Hitler would still have to use German forces to Keep Mussoulini in power. And the US would not sit by and watch as Germany tried to hold down Europe, we would smuggle weapons into Britain, France, and the rest of Europe. Of course another ex-factor is Spain, with France and Britain out of the equation Hitler could have easily aided the Nationalist rising to power there.
GuyontheRight
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This would have become a war of attrition. Germany had a population of about 50 Million I belive, the US had I blieve about 135 Million people. Germany would be unable to win, same reason they lost to the Soviets, and they would be faced with holding down France, England, North Africa, and Hitler would still have to use German forces to Keep Mussoulini in power. And the US would not sit by and watch as Germany tried to hold down Europe, we would smuggle weapons into Britain, France, and the rest of Europe. Of course another ex-factor is Spain, with France and Britain out of the equation Hitler could have easily aided the Nationalist rising to power there.
Mussolini wouldn't need German help if the war in the Medditeranian was won, and if were saying the Great Britain had alreadybeen defeated, then so would 8th Army and the rest of the Limey's in Africa. By this point the Nationalists would already be in power In Spain, but Generalisimo Franco was too proud to allow Hitler to march his forces through his country. Id expect Franco to do what he did in real life, keep Spain out of the war, despite whatever Hitler had to offer. Mussolini, probobly would not have followed Hitler blindly into an American invasion, dispite his idiotic dreams of granduer he had been fairly friendly with the US up until his invasion of Ethiopia and is said to have respected the US fighting man more then Hitler.
Hitler would have been overthrown not because he was evil, but because somone else wanted the power to themselves. Somone like Himmler (God save us; the man was worse then Hitler)
Mussolini wouldn't need German help if the war in the Medditeranian was won, and if were saying the Great Britain had alreadybeen defeated, then so would 8th Army and the rest of the Limey's in Africa. By this point the Nationalists would already be in power In Spain, but Generalisimo Franco was too proud to allow Hitler to march his forces through his country. Id expect Franco to do what he did in real life, keep Spain out of the war, despite whatever Hitler had to offer. Mussolini, probobly would not have followed Hitler blindly into an American invasion, dispite his idiotic dreams of granduer he had been fairly friendly with the US up until his invasion of Ethiopia and is said to have respected the US fighting man more then Hitler.
Hitler would have been overthrown not because he was evil, but because somone else wanted the power to themselves. Somone like Himmler (God save us; the man was worse then Hitler)
If Germany would wan't to attack america, than they would build aircraft carriars. also by the end of the war plans, for top secret aircrafts were found. the plans showed that the planes could fly and bomb new-york.
Also may I mention the Germans had the V2 rocket that they used to bomb england, well germany was developing a new rocket called V3 which could fly till new-york and kill alot of people or destroy alot of buildings with it's 1,000 kg warhead (in ww2 there where no anti missile defence systems).
Also may I mention the Germans had the V2 rocket that they used to bomb england, well germany was developing a new rocket called V3 which could fly till new-york and kill alot of people or destroy alot of buildings with it's 1,000 kg warhead (in ww2 there where no anti missile defence systems).
