Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

I found these videos to be rather interesting, they are in Australian but I can translate into English for those who need it.
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Warning, they are fairly long.

Price of war


Price of war part 2


who is winning

I love those videos! Very informative.
 

While I am sure a large portion of the southern Russian attacks is Ukrainian in origin I doubt the ones to the north and east of Moscow are, I also doubt that Russia is carrying out false flag attacks on its own manufacturing plants so I wonder if this is the work of anti-war protesters within Russia itself.

I also see reports that on May 12th it is rumoured that the Finnish parliament will confirm its decision to join NATO, all those Russian threats, excuses and BS about Ukraine joining NATO sometime in the future will be rendered meaningless if that happens.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/puti...cess-finland-joining-nato-1606776?ITO=newsnow

By all accounts, 71% of Finnish MPs have supported the bid to join with two governing parties yet to make their decision.
 
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Quite an interesting map of the fires and explosions, with a number that havent made the news...

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Maybe this is why the Russians are losing the war in Ukraine:

NEUILLY-SUR-SEINE, France (Reuters) - The Russian military's failure to seize the Ukrainian capital was inevitable because in the preceding years they had never directly faced a powerful enemy, according to a former mercenary with the Kremlin-linked Wagner Group who fought alongside the Russian army. Marat Gabidullin took part in Wagner Group missions on the Kremlin's behalf in Syria and in a previous conflict in Ukraine, before deciding to go public about his experience inside the secretive private military company.

He quit the Wagner group in 2019, but several months before Russia launched the invasion on Feb. 24 Gabidullin, 55, said he received a call from a recruiter who invited him to go back to fighting as a mercenary in Ukraine.

He refused, in part because, he said, he knew Russian forces were not up to the job, even though they trumpeted their arsenal of new weapons and their successes in Syria where they helped President Bashar al-Assad defeat an armed rebellion.

"They were caught completely by surprise that the Ukrainian army resisted so fiercely and that they faced the actual army," Gabidullin said about Russia's setbacks in Ukraine.

He said people he spoke to on the Russian side had told him they expected to face rag-tag militias when they invaded Ukraine, not well-drilled regular troops.
"I told them: 'Guys, that's a mistake'," said Gabidullin, who is now in France where he is publishing a book about his experiences fighting with the Wagner Group.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said he did not know who Gabidullin was and whether he has ever been a member of private military companies.

"We, the state, the government, the Kremlin can not have anything to do with it," he said.

The Russian defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Russia calls its actions in Ukraine a “special operation” that it says is not designed to occupy territory but to destroy its southern neighbour's military capabilities and capture what it regards as dangerous nationalists.

Gabidullin is part of a small but growing cohort of people in Russia with security backgrounds who have supported President Vladimir Putin's foreign incursions but now say the way the war is being conducted is incompetent.

Igor Girkin, who helped lead a pro-Kremlin armed revolt in eastern Ukraine in 2014, has been critical of the way this campaign is being conducted. Alexei Alexandrov, an architect of the 2014 rebellion, told Reuters in March the invasion was a mistake.

Gabidullin took part in some of the bloodiest Syrian clashes in Deir al-Zor province, in Ghouta and near the ancient city of Palmyra. He was seriously injured in 2016 when a grenade exploded behind his back during a battle in the mountains near Latakia.

Gabidullin spent a week in a coma and three months in a hospital where he had surgeries to remove one of his kidneys and some intestines. Reuters has independently verified he was in the Wagner Group and was in combat in Syria.

Wagner Group fighters have been accused by rights groups and the Ukrainian government of committing war crimes in Syria and eastern Ukraine from 2014 onwards. Gabidullin said he had never been involved in such abuses.

DIFFERENT PROPOSITION

Moscow's involvement helped turn the tide of the Syrian war in favour of al-Assad, but Gabidullin said Russia's military restricted itself mainly to attacks from the air, while relying on Wagner mercenaries and other proxies to do the lion's share of the fighting on the ground.

The Russian military's task was easier too. Its opponents -- Islamic State and other militias -- had no anti-aircraft systems or artillery.

Fighting Ukraine, he said, was a different proposition.

"I've seen enough of them in Syria... (The Russian military) didn't take part in combat directly," he said in an interview in Paris to promote his book, which will be published by French publishing house Michel Lafon this month.

"The military forces .... when it was needed to learn how to fight, did not learn how to fight for real," he said.

Wagner Group is an informal entity, with -- on paper at least -- no offices or staff. The U.S. Treasury Department and the European Union have said the Wagner Group is linked to Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. Prigozhin has denied any such links.

Concord Management and Consulting, Prigozhin’s main business, did not respond to a request for comment.

President Vladimir Putin has said private military contractors have the right to work and pursue their interests anywhere in the world as long as they do not break Russian law. Putin has said the Wagner Group neither represented the Russian state nor was paid by it.

Gabidullin said although he had known the Russian invasion of Ukraine was coming, he did not expect it to be on such a scale.

"I could not even think that Russia will wage a war on Ukraine. How could that be? It's impossible," he said.
 
Maybe this is why the Russians are losing the war in Ukraine:

NEUILLY-SUR-SEINE, France (Reuters) - The Russian military's failure to seize the Ukrainian capital was inevitable because in the preceding years they had never directly faced a powerful enemy, according to a former mercenary with the Kremlin-linked Wagner Group who fought alongside the Russian army. Marat Gabidullin took part in Wagner Group missions on the Kremlin's behalf in Syria and in a previous conflict in Ukraine, before deciding to go public about his experience inside the secretive private military company.

He quit the Wagner group in 2019, but several months before Russia launched the invasion on Feb. 24 Gabidullin, 55, said he received a call from a recruiter who invited him to go back to fighting as a mercenary in Ukraine.

He refused, in part because, he said, he knew Russian forces were not up to the job, even though they trumpeted their arsenal of new weapons and their successes in Syria where they helped President Bashar al-Assad defeat an armed rebellion.

"They were caught completely by surprise that the Ukrainian army resisted so fiercely and that they faced the actual army," Gabidullin said about Russia's setbacks in Ukraine.

He said people he spoke to on the Russian side had told him they expected to face rag-tag militias when they invaded Ukraine, not well-drilled regular troops.
"I told them: 'Guys, that's a mistake'," said Gabidullin, who is now in France where he is publishing a book about his experiences fighting with the Wagner Group.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said he did not know who Gabidullin was and whether he has ever been a member of private military companies.

"We, the state, the government, the Kremlin can not have anything to do with it," he said.

The Russian defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Russia calls its actions in Ukraine a “special operation” that it says is not designed to occupy territory but to destroy its southern neighbour's military capabilities and capture what it regards as dangerous nationalists.

Gabidullin is part of a small but growing cohort of people in Russia with security backgrounds who have supported President Vladimir Putin's foreign incursions but now say the way the war is being conducted is incompetent.

Igor Girkin, who helped lead a pro-Kremlin armed revolt in eastern Ukraine in 2014, has been critical of the way this campaign is being conducted. Alexei Alexandrov, an architect of the 2014 rebellion, told Reuters in March the invasion was a mistake.

Gabidullin took part in some of the bloodiest Syrian clashes in Deir al-Zor province, in Ghouta and near the ancient city of Palmyra. He was seriously injured in 2016 when a grenade exploded behind his back during a battle in the mountains near Latakia.

Gabidullin spent a week in a coma and three months in a hospital where he had surgeries to remove one of his kidneys and some intestines. Reuters has independently verified he was in the Wagner Group and was in combat in Syria.

Wagner Group fighters have been accused by rights groups and the Ukrainian government of committing war crimes in Syria and eastern Ukraine from 2014 onwards. Gabidullin said he had never been involved in such abuses.

DIFFERENT PROPOSITION

Moscow's involvement helped turn the tide of the Syrian war in favour of al-Assad, but Gabidullin said Russia's military restricted itself mainly to attacks from the air, while relying on Wagner mercenaries and other proxies to do the lion's share of the fighting on the ground.

The Russian military's task was easier too. Its opponents -- Islamic State and other militias -- had no anti-aircraft systems or artillery.

Fighting Ukraine, he said, was a different proposition.

"I've seen enough of them in Syria... (The Russian military) didn't take part in combat directly," he said in an interview in Paris to promote his book, which will be published by French publishing house Michel Lafon this month.

"The military forces .... when it was needed to learn how to fight, did not learn how to fight for real," he said.

Wagner Group is an informal entity, with -- on paper at least -- no offices or staff. The U.S. Treasury Department and the European Union have said the Wagner Group is linked to Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. Prigozhin has denied any such links.

Concord Management and Consulting, Prigozhin’s main business, did not respond to a request for comment.

President Vladimir Putin has said private military contractors have the right to work and pursue their interests anywhere in the world as long as they do not break Russian law. Putin has said the Wagner Group neither represented the Russian state nor was paid by it.

Gabidullin said although he had known the Russian invasion of Ukraine was coming, he did not expect it to be on such a scale.

"I could not even think that Russia will wage a war on Ukraine. How could that be? It's impossible," he said.

I am sure I said something similar a couple of months ago...

Discussions

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To be honest I am having trouble understanding this war, I don't understand what the Russians are playing at, their goals seem strange andwhere is the air force.
I don't understand the point to the Ukrainian counter attack around Kharkiv when they have so many other pressing issues elsewhere and while I understand the symbolic reason for wanting snake island but why not leave the Russians there as it is a great way of sinking the Black Sea Fleet and tying down a few Russian troops for next to no cost.

It seems to me that at some point someone is just going to collapse.
 
while I understand the symbolic reason for wanting snake island but why not leave the Russians there as it is a great way of sinking the Black Sea Fleet and tying down a few Russian troops for next to no cost.
Involves territorial waters & surrounding resources.
 
Involves territorial waters & surrounding resources.

Yeah I understand that but leaving the Russian garrison on the island gives them a free high value set of targets such as resupply ships and helicopters that they can pick off at will where as taking the island more or less reverses that scenario as Ukraine would have to maintain its garrison.
 
Yeah I understand that but leaving the Russian garrison on the island gives them a free high value set of targets such as resupply ships and helicopters that they can pick off at will where as taking the island more or less reverses that scenario as Ukraine would have to maintain its garrison.
Yeah, if it looks like Russia might quit, grab it back at the end.
 
So what is Turkey playing at?
I am assuming they want something.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/turke...nato-to-oppose-membership-for-finland-sweden/

I have an odd question regarding Ukrainian artillery, people are starting to worry about them running out of 152mm shells but surely given the amount of Russian artillery in eastern European armies someone other than Russia is making these rounds Poland for example.
To me the logistics of moving ammunition from US to Ukraine doesn't make sense as it should be available much closer.
 
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So what is Turkey playing at?
I am assuming they want something.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/turke...nato-to-oppose-membership-for-finland-sweden/

I have an odd question regarding Ukrainian artillery, people are starting to worry about them running out of 152mm shells but surely given the amount of Russian artillery in eastern European armies someone other than Russia is making these rounds Poland for example.
To me the logistics of moving ammunition from US to Ukraine doesn't make sense as it should be available much closer.

I guess the Turks want some dinereos for accepting Finland and Sweden being NATO members.

The 155mm is NATO standard so NATO countries cannot have any issues with delivering those to Ukraine. If the former WP countries still had old T72s and BMP1s they must have a lot of 152mm artillery munition. The only reason for why they don't want to provide Ukraine with their own 152mm munition is to not disarm their own artillery units until they get new artillery systems by the US or other NATO countries
 
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