Separation of Church and State

Then you see that there are parts of the bible and parts of Christianity that can make for very bad governanace and hence why America is NOT a christian nation.

It's best to take the best of the Christian culture and incorporate it into mainstream American culture.
 
Whispering Death said:
But it's okay to slaughter children as long as god tells you to do that. And our country needs to be run according to god.
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Then you see that there are parts of the bible and parts of Christianity that can make for very bad governanace and hence why America is NOT a christian nation.

It's best to take the best of the Christian culture and incorporate it into mainstream American culture.
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First, it was the choice of the soldiers to "slaughter children" not a command. Second, thats what Ive said all along. I said that if Judeo-Christian ethics and morals were incorporated into American law, America would be a far better and stronger country. I never said America is a Christian country, but it is founded on Christian though by people among whom were mostly Christian.
 
Whispering Death said:
Then you see that there are parts of the bible and parts of Christianity that can make for very bad governanace and hence why America is NOT a christian nation.

It's best to take the best of the Christian culture and incorporate it into mainstream American culture.
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I agree with behemoth on this, on its founding the US was mostly Christian.

As far as the second part I agree, Christ as the focus rather than the old testament. Most Christians go along these lines anyways.

Few who support this are in favor of a state church, something I would definately oppose. What I do oppose (something that has been lost in this discusion) is there seems to be a move today to completely eradicate all traces, roots, and the principles of Christianity from government, which I think is gone too far, and is actually harmful in the long run.
 
gladius said:
Whispering Death said:
Then you see that there are parts of the bible and parts of Christianity that can make for very bad governanace and hence why America is NOT a christian nation.

It's best to take the best of the Christian culture and incorporate it into mainstream American culture.
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I agree with behemoth on this, on its founding the US was mostly Christian.

As far as the second part I agree, Christ as the focus rather than the old testament. Most Christians go along these lines anyways.

Few who support this are in favor of a state church, something I would definately oppose. What I do oppose (something that has been lost in this discusion) is there seems to be a move today to completely eradicate all traces, roots, and the principles of Christianity from government, which I think is gone too far, and is actually harmful in the long run.
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exactly.
 
This is a list of the preambles to all 50 United States.

* Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ..

* Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

* Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

* Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

* California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.

* Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

* Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

* Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences ...

* Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

* Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

* Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance ... establish this Constitution.

* Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

* Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

* Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government…

* Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.

* Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges, establish this Constitution.

* Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

* Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

* Maine 1820, Preamble. We, the People of Maine, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction.

* Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

* Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction.

* Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.

* Minnesota 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings…

* Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

* Missouri 1845 Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness establish this Constitution.

* Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty, establish this Constitution.

* Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. establish this Constitution.

* Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution.

* New Hampshire 1792, Part I.Art. I.Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

* New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors ..

* New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty .

* New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

* North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those.

* North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

* Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common ..

* Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this.

* Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences.

* Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.

* Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing.

* South Carolina 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina, grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

* South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties... establish this.

* Tennessee 1796, Art. XIIII. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

* Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

* Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

* Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to . enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man

* Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI. Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other.

* Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution ...

* West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ...

* Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility .

* Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties establish this Constitution.


After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the federal courts are WRONG!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
 
Uh PC? Vermont is the 14th state. We entered the Union in 1791. I doubt folks were much concerned with PC terminology then.
 
As an atheist praise G-d I am so happy with the American and French revolutions which threw out the church from State rule. The Church practiced collective punishment of the Jewish people throughout its oppressive rule over Europe. Separation of Church and State secular people told the religious nuts to take a hike. You want to believe ... that's your right. You want to force your beliefs down other peoples throats ... I prefer cutting the balls off of beasts who carry their religion on their sleeves.
 
moshe said:
As an atheist praise G-d I am so happy with the American and French revolutions which threw out the church from State rule. The Church practiced collective punishment of the Jewish people throughout its oppressive rule over Europe. Separation of Church and State secular people told the religious nuts to take a hike. You want to believe ... that's your right. You want to force your beliefs down other peoples throats ... I prefer cutting the balls off of beasts who carry their religion on their sleeves.
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Seperation of Church & State isn't in the Constitution, it's mearly a comment in a letter by Jefferson. What the Constitution says is the Senate(US Govt) can't establish an Official Church. The letter didn't say God & State either, Church is an Organization, & the concept of a religiously sterile Govt is a relatively new concept, in the last 50 yrs or so. Biblical refrences are all over Federal buildings in D.C., Congress payed for Bibles in the early yrs, & Church services were held in the Capitol builing.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The Establishment Clause prohibits the federal, state or municipal establishment of a religion or other preference for one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion.
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to the federal government. A number of the states effectively had established churches when the First Amendment was ratified, with some remaining into the early nineteenth century.
 
As it is one of the bands whose songs and beats are used for PT in the Spanish Army, please permit me this input (2nd version for the people who like to probe how fit those guys that provide the beats for PT are themselves: Not sooooo impressive...? Still: Good music!), "The separation of church and skate"by NOFX:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZyeldj7tQ"]NOFX- The Separation of Church and Skate - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwYFy_LFzhI"]NOFX - the separation of church and skate subtitulada - YouTube[/ame]
 
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