Will USA sell India F/A-22 or JSF?

Thats been the US trend/strategy when it comes to India so far, but can it afford to lose India as a future ally in Asia as a counterbalance against China ?
 
Another thing is the biggest problem is how close Russia and India are, anything that comes from America and goes to india will most likly end up in Russia. Russia is a close friend of India with weapon sales, joint projects, and russia supports India Joining the UNSC. So that is a few reasons we need to be carful when dealing with India.
 
Dameon wrote:
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and russia supports India Joining the UNSC

Might be offtopic but France, China and U.K. too 'officially' support India joining the UNSC.
 
Xion said:
Dameon wrote:
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and russia supports India Joining the UNSC

Might be offtopic but France, China and U.K. too 'officially' support India joining the UNSC.
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That's right, I am also wondering why USA does not support India to be in UNSC. Although a bit off-topic, but refer to the issue of not selling F/A-22 to India, it all comes from same strategic idea's of USA regarding India.
 
India was offered to join the JSF program, but this hasn't been taken up by India. The deal would also involve designing and assembling components of the a/c in L-M's massive research plants in India. Even without official Indian participation, no doubt non-classified work on the JSF will be done in those plants anyway.

The main reason for India's rejection being that America is seen as far too unreliable an arms supplier. The knee-jerk reaction to the Indian nuclear tests is proof in and of itself. Granted, the relationship between the two democracies is changing quite fast (the proof is in the exponential growth in military ties between the two nations)

Furthermore, India is already committed itself to a 5th generation a/c; a joint Indo-Russian fighter PAK-FA, and an indigenous multirole attack a/c the MCA (Medium Combat Aircarft.) The Tejas (LCA) will fill in the light multirole role (replacing eventually -21s, -27s, Jags and M2ks)

India, as can be seen in its latest defense porcurments all across the board from navy to army to air force is changing from a simply buying arms to jointly developing them with its former arms suppliers.

In terms of a/c, the IAF inducts 'souped up' versions of all its a/c, often fitted with a variety of Indian, French, Israeli, Russian and British components, as evidenced in the Su-30MKI all the way to the MiG-21 Bison (with again customized indigenous avionics and BVR, datalinking, etc. capabilities) which demonstrated its ability of being a great more fitting a match against the F-15 than was popularly expected, in the COPE-India exercise with America.

Even the M2Ks, -29s, Jags, -27s, and Harriers that fly with India show the same types of customization.


Hindustan Aeronautics Tejas:
LCA-Art1.jpg
 
Very well written post rajkhalsa.

Also, this is very true:
The main reason for India's rejection being that America is seen as far too unreliable an arms supplier.
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Btw, Is PAK/FA still going? Haven't heard about its news for half year now.
 
I wouldn't see Russia as a reliable arms supplier either, you never know when they will have to stop production due to different reasons.
 
FlyingFrog said:
Very well written post rajkhalsa.

Also, this is very true:
The main reason for India's rejection being that America is seen as far too unreliable an arms supplier.
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Btw, Is PAK/FA still going? Haven't heard about its news for half year now.
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Thanks :)

The Pak-fa project is still going on. I read an article recently about how the basic design was submitted to the clients and met with approval.



Dameon, the_13th_redneck,

Well, India manufactures its Russian a/c through Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) under deep license, so availability of a/c spares were never an issue. Even with Russia leveraging India to commit to the purchise from Russia of MiG-29Ks for the ex-Gorshkov, spares and if IN requires it additional manufacture of this a/c will be made in India.

HAL also sells MiG parts and upgrade packages to third countries, and is expected to upgrade Malaysian Su-27s into an MKI-lite "MKM" configuration.

With Pak-fa being a joint project, in which both sides are equally involved in the design, manufacture and ownership, no doubt the a/c and spares will be made in India.

Interestingly enough, potential suppliers the next (final?) major purchise of foreign a/c that will replace the old -21s and -27s that are being phased out -- M2K-5s, MiG-29SMTs, and even F-16 blk50s -- have all offered deep license agreements to India, wherein, like with the Russian a/c, additional a/c + spares will be manufactured in India.
 
An update on the PAK-FA

Looks like its confirmed :rambo:

India, Russia to build fighter aircraft

NEW DELHI, DHNS:

At the conclusion of parleys on military cooperation for two days, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop a fifth-generation multi-role, multi-functional fighter aircraft besides adhering to a stricter intellectual property rights (IPR) regime.

“Conceptual presentations have been made on the aircraft. Now both sides will sit and work out the details,” Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters here on Thursday in the presence of his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov, who is scheduled to accompany the Russian President Vladimir Putin from Friday.

Though both countries were deliberating on the futuristic fifth generation aircraft for the last couple of years, this is for the first time they have agreed on the concept.
 
Thanks for the news.

I think PAK/FA is really going too slow. F/A-22 would already be in service when PAK/FA is flying.

But to be frank, I really doubt about the "Stealth" thing of the all the future 5th Gen Jets. In case the "Stealth" thing is broken, then some of the existing 4th Gen Jets are not really that "inferior" to 5th Gen jets more.

I also don't know PRC turned the deal down when PRC was asked to join the PAK/FA thing.
 
By the time this new aircraft is in service America will have already started developing the replacements for the F-22 and JSF.....thats how America works we get one off the production line and start working on it's replacement.
 
Dameon said:
By the time this new aircraft is in service America will have already started developing the replacements for the F-22 and JSF.....thats how America works we get one off the production line and start working on it's replacement.
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I hate you to say that since I am gonna go sleep I hate to have a nightmare :evil:

Ciao
 
Don't worry it normaly takes us around 10-14 years to design something good......... Plus the JSF and F-22 have like a 30 year Career they say....hey the B-52 will have been around roughly 100 years before it leaves service.
 
Dameon said:
Don't worry it normaly takes us around 10-14 years to design something good......... Plus the JSF and F-22 have like a 30 year Career they say....hey the B-52 will have been around roughly 100 years before it leaves service.
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and we still don't have a decent replacement for it ;)
 
Well, let's see, the US will get first dibs on the Joint Strike Fighter, so that means it will be years before it will become available to other countries. And then their is the cost, that is an expensive plane, India might not be able to afford. Much like Russia's new MIG, it is the most advanced fighter ever built but they can not afford more than a handful, maybe 20, and those would probably only be used for escorting the President's or Prime Minister's plane when traveling.
 
The JSF is being designed to be a cheap yet good aircraft to help in all branches of service. I don't think it will be that exspensive even though it has cost around 300 billion to design I believe.
 
the unit cost of the F-35 is $28mil, compared to the F/A-18 E/F at $57 mil. so in theory the F-35 is a lot cheaper. they designed the plane to be low maintenance anyway.
 
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