Which attack helicopter is all around the best?

Russians make great choppers so IDK. I see KA 52 being the best out of them all and a close runnner up is Havoc,.

Havoc can also have enough space for 3 people in the back compartment or some other cargo or weponry. KA 52 is purely a hunter that is also great at destroying any object be it ground or air target.

SHERMAN said:
A russian air defence division( ithink thats the name for it, im not sure) with SA-3 batteries and MiG-21 squadrons deployed to Egypt in 1970. The aircraft and pilots were seen clearly on the deck of russian ships leaving the black sea in 1970. Shortly after that Israeli intelligence listening in on radio signals in Egypt heard russian on the waves.

The russians played around with the IAF untill one day they fired a missile at a A-4 Skyhawk that bearly made it home with massive engine damage. After that the IAF set up an air ambush and shot down 5 russian pilots flying mig-21s


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,878216,00.html

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-6389.html

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...9UGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oDEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3190,9123825

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...-cNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=r3UDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7341,6537093

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2848/operate5.htm

http://countrystudies.us/egypt/38.htm


So, do you have any sources to the opposite?
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sounds like a bunch of bullocks by newspapers.
as for T72 against m1...hope those iraqys are under 1.60 cause T72's ergonomics suck so bad!

as for Goergia. Hmmmm the Russian intelegence did bad and did not find out that there was quite alot of ukrainian SAM's working in the region including BUK M1 and TOR's + some S200 that were smoked rite away by anti radar missiles.

btw the 50 year old pilot was an instructor and he was on recon.
 
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IIyx said:
sounds like a bunch of bullocks by newspapers.
as for T72 against m1...hope those iraqys are under 1.60 cause T72's ergonomics suck so bad!

as for Goergia. Hmmmm the Russian intelegence did bad and did not find out that there was quite alot of ukrainian SAM's working in the region including BUK M1 and TOR's + some S200 that were smoked rite away by anti radar missiles.

btw the 50 year old pilot was an instructor and he was on recon.
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You've got to provide a source for your claims.
 
I provided historical precedent.
You can go look up all the Arab Israeli Wars and the Gulf Wars etc. to see for yourself.
But he shot down a whole load of historical articles. If he's going to do that, he better be able to provide something similar.

For every Russian equipment I have praised, I have given some form of evidence.
 
t 72 is a crappy tank and so is t80. no source. talked to a drive of t80.

Russian armored troop carriers are awsome thing but not tanks.

the driver said that the shifting great and everything sucks ass and he would gladly go with m1a1. but in general as I he also respects the german tanks by far. the best in the world.
 
Anyways... thread's about attack helicopters so...
Again, as with the "high end" Russian attack helicopters, I'll have to see it to believe it.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
I provided historical precedent.
You can go look up all the Arab Israeli Wars and the Gulf Wars etc. to see for yourself.
But he shot down a whole load of historical articles. If he's going to do that, he better be able to provide something similar.

For every Russian equipment I have praised, I have given some form of evidence.
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arab israeli presidents? you know what they say about a blonds behind a wheel is like a monkey with a grenade, same with arabs - all they are good enough is blowing them selfs up.

as for equipment - if your not a removed even you will know that Russians never exported full versions of the equipment.
if you speak figuritivly then: Russians kept the supercharger cars and to arabs and others send cars with the lowest modification.


i read some of your posts and most of them if not all are totaly biased without any back up at all except claims of your own personal oppinion.

eurofighter is ...hmmm not so great.

long bow is good systems and nice chopper but nothing special and has been downed by small arms and bunch of junk including rpgs. sure there have been statments that they flew back with a tank shell back home and landed safe but thats highly unlikely.

also the missile system and power - watched alot of vids where hell fires are used against viehechles and idk why cause you can use simple gunfire and missiles. the machine gun on long bow is innacurate and missiles are unpowerful. viehechles and groups of people were hit by missiles and guys just got up, shook off and kept on running.


as for Russians choppers - awsome avionics,air frame, protection and weapons system + expierienced crews.
 
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darkgreensoldier666 said:
watch it ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD_-EaaJgys
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I know it flies and shoots, that's pretty much out of the question.
Unlike the claims though, it doesn't seem particularly maneuverable.
Not to mention that a HEAVILY upgraded version the Ka-50-2 was a competitor in the Turkish future attack helicopter selection. It actually lost to a late model AH-1 Cobra (though it did beat the AH-64, though I don't know which Apache model it was competing against).
The Mangusta won that contract... but just saying. It lost to a friggin Cobra and those things don't even rate as "top attack helicopters" anymore.
 
darkgreensoldier666 said:
and MI-24 and AN-12 was preffered mujahedian targes )
just in the late time of conflict they started to protect them with flares and chaf
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its a KA 50 not a KA 52 - huge difference.

Stingers were effective only for a few months untill the Soviet pilots already had a tactic how to counter stingers. u can check out you tube and will find some british journalist filming and talking about war - god I hope soviets dropped a bomb on that british ass.
 
An attack helicopter that:

Is of compound design

Uses an accurate cannon that is 30 or 40mm

Has MMW radar and AGMs

Has three hardpoints

Can take sustained 20mm fire

Quality avionics (Highest resolution, clearest, and toughest FLIR available, highest quality and toughest day optics, all glass cockpit, moving map, datalink)

Wingtip stations to mount 4 Stingers or Sidewinders, if adapted to escort duty.

Basically, something that can take heavy fire without flinching, that has dash capability, carries either 8 more Hellfires or 38 more Hydras, contains the very best avionics possible, flies extremely well, has a world class targeting and optics system, with long loiter time, with highly automated procedures that take off much of the workload from the pilot in flight.

Automatic fuel cut off of an engine if fire detected, then immediate deployment of fire extinguisher. If an engine is lost the other will immediately ramp up to emergency power, etc.

Oh, and it must be dependable and tough. 80% readiness for combat in the field or above, and it has to be easy to do maintenance
 
Apache would get my vote. Though not as resistance to ground fire as the Hind, its longbow radar more than makes up for it. It's extremely silent ( for a helicopter) and from it's performance in war- its no ones fool to be messed with.


The M-24 performed admirably in Afghan nearly turning the tide in favor of the soviet empire-able to transport troops, and could soak up large amounts of fire- even from RPGs. Yet against true AA weapons such as the Stringer it had the heat signature of the sun- meaning it had no place to hide when a army has AA capability.
 
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