what happen when a 155 H.e hit m1a2 front armor?

I was not claiming in anyway it is a good example. I asked you if you saw any tank, M1 or other take a direct hit, cause Ive only seen this poor M60.

the M60 isent close to being a modern MBT in any way though
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See?
 
Alexin_Cobra said:
M-60 tanks are not armored with depleted uranium either. As a matter of fact, name any other tank armored in DU other than M1a1s/ M1a2s
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Its not like DU armor is any sort of a crazy, Leos are armored with advanced composites that are on par 'at least' since 2A6 is probably even better protected.
 
Lunatik said:
Ehhehe, that just cracked me up. :smil:

Also, don't the crewmen go deaf (temporarily?) even when an RPG-7 hits the outer armor? I'd imagine any explosion involving X amount of HE would be pretty damn loud and sitting in a closed metal box a few inches from the detonation probably doesn't help that much? Or are tanks mostly sound-proof?
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You can hear the smacks and the swooshes when they miss, but nothing that is ear deafening, a tank is well sound proofed.

For the rest of you,

If you have a 155mm HE round land on top of your tank you are done, you will be going to Fiddlers Green wondering why you had such bad luck. Does anyone even realize the danger close is for one of these bad boys with troops out in the open.
 
SHERMAN said:
like i said 155mm SPA is not a tank hunting weapon. the chance of a direct hit are minimal. the one i saw was an old M60 used for target practice by us, when the SPA guys wanted to demonstrate their possible emergency use against tanks(if the arty battery is about to be overrun). they fired at 800 meters or so with a lot of propellent and their heaviest round. result was a very ****ed up M60. the M60 isent close to being a modern MBT in any way though.
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Russian 122mm D-30 proved the concept of using HEAT in artillery in 1973 with some kills. That's a 360° traverse gun with at least a small shield, though.

I've recently read a German book from the 50's, it embodied a mix of war experiences and American combat team (Kampfgruppe) tactics on battalion to brigade (rarely up to corps) level.
A combat team of his design had infantry/armor battalions and specialist companies (arty, engineers, AAA, supply) plus its HQ.
The author (Eike Middeldorf, ex lessons learned expert at OKH and responsible for FMs in early Bundeswehr) assigned quite often the role of overwatch security for the soft forces and road march columns to the arty.
The Israeli 'Sholef' design would have been great for such a secondary security role.
 
Russian 122mm D-30 proved the concept of using HEAT in artillery in 1973 with some kills. That's a 360° traverse gun with at least a small shield, though.
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A 122 or 155 HEAT could surely damage or destroy a tank. problem is hitting. tanks move. they move relativly fast. they also fire-on-the-move.
 
SHERMAN said:
A 122 or 155 HEAT could surely damage or destroy a tank. problem is hitting. tanks move. they move relativly fast. they also fire-on-the-move.
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Which is tactics used when entering a unknown pre plotted artillery kill zone, after recieving indirect fire it is fully button up and move post haste.
 
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Sven Ortmann said:
Russian 122mm D-30 proved the concept of using HEAT in artillery in 1973 with some kills. That's a 360° traverse gun with at least a small shield, though.
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I've served in artillery unit using Soviet 2S1 self-propelled howitzer. It uses modernized version of D-30 gun.
It's HEAT projectile was always considered in Polish Army as a sort of a "last chance" weapon in case of unexpected meeting with enemy armoured vehicles.
However the best tactics in such a case was clear - run and pray :)

So, in practice it was never considered as a "regular" anti-tank weapon, but as a "just in case". I guess that with towed version it was similar.
 
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