Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War?

George said:
British short of ammo, hollow force. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=9a9d76dba77e4856f4cb146231b38454
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Every time I read these sorts of story I am reminded of something my father used to say, "Countries never run out of money or ammunition in wartime.", Germany at the end of the war still found ammunition, besieged cities in Bosnia never run out of ammunition.

I recall giving an Alaskan friend of mine stick after reading a report of the Air National Guard's F-15s losing an exercise against some Indian Mig-21s, he responded that it was almost budget time, losing can be very profitable.

I don't doubt that the west has less ammunition than 12 months ago but I suspect that is more the result of getting rid of old stock while they can, no matter what happens in this war the wests arsenal will be brand new and probably twice the size by the end of it.

I3BrigPvSk said:
Red is probably better to answer that question, but I would say Norway isn't suited for tanks. Norway will give some of their Leos to Ukraine
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I think they have just signed up for 50 new L2s

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/norway-to-buy-54-leopard-2-to-replace-its-aging-tank-force-1.1878930

Although not everyone thinks it is the right move...
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2023/0...r-ukraine-as-debate-flies-over-tanks-at-home/

On a side note is it just me or does Norwegian Defense Chief Eirik Kristoffersen look a lot like Erich Hartmann?
 
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The Leos are some what the NATO tank, the war in Ukraine gives NATO countries the opportunity to get rid of older MBTs so they can get new ones when all countries in Europe are increasing the defense budget after decades of neglect.

It is easy to deactivate the defense, it takes much longer to activate it again
 
Every day 89000 barrels of Russian fuel and diesel are entering New York State via India . 40 % of the total import of NY State .
Nice Biden.:shock:
I always thought that he could not be trusted .
Every day he will lose 89000 friends in Europe .
Sources : Bloomberg and Business Insider .
But at the end of the year 31 useless Abram tanks will be rust in Ukraine .
 
lljadw said:
Every day 89000 barrels of Russian fuel and diesel are entering New York State via India . 40 % of the total import of NY State .
Nice Biden.:shock:
I always thought that he could not be trusted .
Every day he will lose 89000 friends in Europe .
Sources : Bloomberg and Business Insider .
But at the end of the year 31 useless Abram tanks will be rust in Ukraine .
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89k barrels of Russian fuel is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things given Russia's production of 113 million barrels of oil a day.
To be be fair we have no way of knowing what will be rusting in Ukrainian fields by the end of the year but I am prepared to bet that there will be a lot more T-whatevers rusting next to them.
 
MontyB said:
89k barrels of Russian fuel is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things given Russia's production of 113 million barrels of oil a day.
To be be fair we have no way of knowing what will be rusting in Ukrainian fields by the end of the year but I am prepared to bet that there will be a lot more T-whatevers rusting next to them.
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89000 barrels a day means that the US who imposed the boycott of Russian oil on their European allies,with very bad consequences for these allies, are deliberatedly violating themselves this boycott ,which means : double standard.
This will have very unpleasant consequences .
About the 31 Abram that will rust in Ukraine :without being used .The fact is that the big Russian tank losses were not caused by the use of these 31 Abrams .

It is the same with the Leos : The Dutch minister of defense lied that the Netherlands,together with Germany and Denmark,would send 100 Leo1A5s from 1987 (the Dutch TV called them old timers ) to Ukraine .These old timers are still in the depots of the German defense industry .
But,what said Rheinmetall ?
It said that it could repair and send this year only 20/25 old timers, the rest would be for 2024 .
If the minister was honest : she would have said 20/25 .
If the only thing they can send this year are 20-25 old timers ,this means that they have nothing else .The Kremlin will laugh .
If they have 20/25 or more operational tanks ,but refuse to send them ,this means that they refuse to help Ukraine and that all they are saying and doing are lies and political theater .
You will not convince me that these three countries do no have together 20/25 operational tanks .
If it would be so, the whole military and politica establishment of these countries deserves to be fired and to be hanged .
 
MontyB said:
I recall giving an Alaskan friend of mine stick after reading a report of the Air National Guard's F-15s losing an exercise against some Indian Mig-21s, he responded that it was almost budget time, losing can be very profitable.
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Often things like this is rigged. Often the group setting the R.O.E.s have an agenda & fix rules to put their favorite at its best, the other plane at its worst, or both. In a real world scenario, provided the ROEs don't tie the hands of the 15s pilots, I doubt they would have much of a problem taking out MIG-21s.
 
George said:
Often things like this is rigged. Often the group setting the R.O.E.s have an agenda & fix rules to put their favorite at its best, the other plane at its worst, or both. In a real world scenario, provided the ROEs don't tie the hands of the 15s pilots, I doubt they would have much of a problem taking out MIG-21s.
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Quite similar as when the US Navy conducted drills with a Swedish submarine. Sub hunting had been neglected for a long period of time so the US Navy needed to get funding for its sub hunting capabilities to counter Chinese and North Korean subs.

The Russians are still wasting resources on non-military targets instead of hitting Ukrainian supply lines.
 
MontyB said:
I am not sure what can be done to help Moldova, the logical move would be to offer it NATO membership but to be honest I know bugger all about the place and whether it is capable of taking part in NATO, my understanding is that it is relatively poor so the NATO requirements may be beyond it.
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You had an idea prior the Russian attack on Ukraine and that was to invite NATO forces into Ukraine and conduct exercises. Now in retrospect, it might have prevented the Russian attack, but we will never know. Moldova can invite NATO to have exercises. Moldova is a part of the PfP program so that wouldn't be a problem.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
You had an idea prior the Russian attack on Ukraine and that was to invite NATO forces into Ukraine and conduct exercises. Now in retrospect, it might have prevented the Russian attack, but we will never know. Moldova can invite NATO to have exercises. Moldova is a part of the PfP program so that wouldn't be a problem.
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To be honest I think it would help the Ukrainians greatly if they removed Russian troops from Transnistria removing a threat in their rear and aiding the Moldovans in the process.
 
MontyB said:
To be honest I think it would help the Ukrainians greatly if they removed Russian troops from Transnistria removing a threat in their rear and aiding the Moldovans in the process.
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A joint Moldavian and Ukrainian operation to clear it from any Russkies. Moldavia is on Putin's wish list and Russia has a history of attacking other countries when they want to join EU/NATO.

I think it has been quite calm in Moldavia due to the Russian war in Ukraine doesn't work well for the Russians.
 
I3BrigPvSk said:
A joint Moldavian and Ukrainian operation to clear it from any Russkies. Moldavia is on Putin's wish list and Russia has a history of attacking other countries when they want to join EU/NATO.

I think it has been quite calm in Moldavia due to the Russian war in Ukraine doesn't work well for the Russians.
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The problem for Moldova and NATO is it's economy, it currently spends about 0.5% of GDP on defence well below NATO's 2% requirement and I am not sure it is realistic to expect them to spend that much.
 
MontyB said:
Well this made me laugh...

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-is-guzzling-russias-inventory-of-precision-guided-missiles/?amp

And it appears the combat debut is getting closer for the T34, they are now down to the early 1950s, these things would have been in service with the last of the T34s...

https://defence-blog.com/russia-to-deploy-vintage-btr-50-tracked-carriers-to-ukraine/
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Wouldn't we see the Russian using the T-54/55 before the T-34? But, the Russians are using the T-62 and the BMP1. I have also seen destroyed MTLBs and older versions of the BTRs and the BRDMs. I wouldn't be surprised to see assault vehicles such as the SU versions of AT-vehicles.
 
MontyB said:
The problem for Moldova and NATO is it's economy, it currently spends about 0.5% of GDP on defence well below NATO's 2% requirement and I am not sure it is realistic to expect them to spend that much.
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Are there NATO members who spend 2 % of their GDP on defense ?
 
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