The Israeli Draw....Do people in other countries use it and why?

It's about training really. I never understood putting someone on a detail that required the carry of a sidearm and calling them good to go after a 14 round fam fire .......
 
SHERMAN said:
The chance of a pistol being cocked un-intentionally is very very slim. On the other hand if you draw under pressure there is a good chance you will forget to disengage the saftey.
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So you are saying that if you use a safety you are likely to forget... but if you carry it unloaded and have to chamber a round under pressre you won't? Disengaging the safety on my M9 is part of my draw stroke. It has been drilled in training to disengage the safety when you are bringing the weapon to bear so many times that it is automatic. I don't understand the argument for a complex procedure like racking a round, and opposed to a relatively simple one. What if you get shot first and must draw one handed? It seems to me that knowing your weapon is not ready would encourage the enemy to take offensive action first. The only argument against carrying loaded is lack of weapons handling ability, which should be addressed with training if people are that inept at operating their weapons.
 
Not as fast?

Here is a video just put up on Youtube I found. It shows that a con-3 pull can be a fast as a con-1 pull. The video also makes it very clear that con-3 carry is only a option in a very limited number of specialist situations and the con-1 is best 90% of the time.

At about half way in the video – he draws (con 3), from concealment and fires 3 rounds in 1.75 seconds… not too bad.

By looking at the guy, he looks SpecOps of some kind so who knows the strange areas and circumstances he works in (or teaches people to work in).

Enjoy.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGD2j9ks38g"]YouTube - Modified Israeli Mossad Draw (IMD)[/ame]
 
One reason for the Israeli draw is that it works with probably 95% of all semi-auto pistols with about zero training once the weapon is loaded. This means I can hand you a loaded Hi-Power, a Glock, a M1911A1, a Makarov, a Stechkin, a CZ75, or whatever pistol (other than a Luger, a Borchardt, a Mauser C96, or something without a conventional slide) and you can stuff it in your belt and have a reasonable chance at running the gun.

See, back in the day, the Israelis had a hell of a time procuring military equipment in any large quantities. What they did have, was a massive number of non-standard guns. This means--unlike a more typical police or military organization--you may not have the same gun for very long or have much time to familiarize yourself with one. In those cases, you would either have to risk seriously trying to work the safety or hammer on a potentially unfamiliar pistol under fire if you carried condition 1. Instead, you carry condition 3 and go to 0 with a universal move (rack slide -> pull trigger)

(This is also why Glock is so popular. Essentially, you carry it condition 0...)

That's it. Israeli draw is only for "safety" based on the need for a gun, any gun, whatever gun happens to be laying around.
 
The Israeli Instinctive Shooting Method that you describe has achieved some popularity in the U.S. as part of the Krav maga / Kapap martial arts technique. There are some things to recommend it, although Americans usually prefer to have a round chambered or to use a revolver.
I have studied the Israeli method and I believe that it was well thought out to fit the circumstances of the security situation in their country. You have large numbers of persons carrying a great variety of handguns. Some are safe and reliable and many are not. The method offers a way of teaching large numbers of people a uniform technique of weapon carry and use. I've seen some of these Kapap instructors draw, charge the weapon and fire faster than most people would believe. The method will work if it's practiced.
As a combat technique it has a huge track record of success. It has been used successfully in hundreds, possibly thousands of armed encounters, which is more than many other weapon handling schools can claim.
 
I forgot to mention that when the U.S. forces were equipped with the 1911 pistol, it was always, in my experience, required to be carried with an empty chamber. The idea being that you would draw and charge the pistol in ample time for anything that would require it's use. I have personally watched guys practice, drawing, reversing the pistol and charging it against the holster. Some got to be pretty good at it!
For every soldier who may have been killed by having an empty chamber, there must have been ten who were not killed because the chamber was empty.
Anyone with experience with the 1911 knows this. It was great pistol and it killed a lot of soldiers, many of whom were Americans.
 
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