On the contrary the Palestinians haven't lost the war because they are still fighting it, however my argument remains as support for Israel is support for terrorism essentially your argument is that when terrorists become recognised they are no longer terrorists.
When I said lost I was talking about Israel is in fact created, which is what the early terrorist wanted. They can try fighting now, but if they want to win support of todays people then they need to fight be todays rules. No country in the west will condone terrorism.
Your obviously trying to slip words in my mouth with that last sentence.
Tell me if the Germans won right now and held the countries firmly even till now, how will people view them?
As we all know the victors dictate who was right and wrong in history (most of the time).
What neither you nor VD seem willing to face is that the Palestinians are for the most part native inhabitants and occupiers of the land and they have been forced off the majority of that land by a bunch of Europen boat people (they are not refugees because the majority moved after the war therefore there was no threat any longer) through the use of violence, manipulation, racism and threat and you believe that it is the Palestinians that should negotiate?
I am saying that if they want their state, the best way would be to get support by those with the power to do it... Obviously their Islamic brothers are not within the power to do this. All they have done thus far is piss off westerners (whom are the ones that can help them).
Terrorism will not get their state, as Israel is not the Brits post WW2. All it does is piss people off, that is it.
So by all means you guys can dance around the truth with maps of Turkey and meaningless double talk about not supporting terrorism unless they win then its fine but the fact is that time is not on Isreals side surrounded by someting like 150 million muslims living in wealthy countries some of which are becoming nuclear capable, others with NATO backing and only the support of a waning near bankrupt super power to rescue them.
I know you didnt just call the muslim nations "wealthy"... The only thing that makes the wealth for them is the ground they stand on and once countries wise up (which U.S is finally doing), by making more re-newable energy investments, they will find oil helps little for them. For Pete's sake, the oil is the only reason western nations even gives a crap about it.
It will take at least half a century for another nation to overdue U.S. China is the closest and even if they sustained this growth many analyst believe it to be at least 50 years to even pass (if not catch up) to U.S. For example, Russia is a shell of what is used to be, but yet a lot of people fear and know how powerful it is. (granted its mainly because of their nuke stockpile XD)
Do you think Israel will be weak in 50 years?
I believe more people support Israel than Hamas, which is what a good deal of people think of when they talk about Palestine.
