Italian Guy
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Sniping Bicycles
TheSunsetSniper
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The snipers name was Carlos Norman Hathcock II, and yes, he really did hit that bike but it wasn't from a mile and a half. I believe it was more like 1,000 meters. The 1.5 mile kill was a man who had just stood from drinking water from a pond, not a biker. The reason he shot the bike was becuase the rider was a child, and he did not want to shoot the child. He ended up shooting him anyway after the kid grabbed one of the many AKs he was carring and began to shoot at Hathcock, if i remember correctly.
goaliedude66630
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You are right, i think. But the kid was transporting guns to the enemy. If the kid is giveing guns for someone to uses to kll you, i dont think that i would think twices abot shooting him. i might feel bad becasue he is a kid, and in a normal time he might have been a great kid. I think the worest thing is being by yourself or just with a spotter. That i could not deal with unles he was my bro then i might but just some guy i get stuck with it would be hard for a long time.
Redneck
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goaliedude66630 said:
I believe that any man would "think twice" before pulling the trigger in that situation, and I sincerely hope that neither you nor myself are ever put in a position where we have to make that decision. I realize that at your age, you have not fully grasped the gravity of the things you are saying (I only began to understand them myself in very recent years), but you need to think before you speak, it is very easy to play armchair general (or sniper) and pretend that life ain't worth a dime or that you are above human emotion, but I guarantee you that in a real world situation, your way of thinking would do a 180.
goaliedude66630
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Most likely you are right. I have never tired to shoot anyone. I think that if I will have a change of mind after
A: one of my budies gets killed.
B: i kill someone and there are looking me inthe eyes as i do it!!!
A: one of my budies gets killed.
B: i kill someone and there are looking me inthe eyes as i do it!!!
bush musketeer
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boer rifleman
at the battle of colenso in the boer war. Colonel C.J Long of the royal artillery unlimbered his twelve 15 pounder guns 1250 yards from boer riflemen and were quite quickley shot up, so bad that in the four attempts to get the guns out of danger 4VCS (victoria crosses) and 18DCM (distinguished conduct medals) were won most posthumously only 2 guns were ever recovered.
1250 yards with 7mm rifles assisted by spotters but shot with open sighted rifles, not bad shooting i reckon.
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at the battle of colenso in the boer war. Colonel C.J Long of the royal artillery unlimbered his twelve 15 pounder guns 1250 yards from boer riflemen and were quite quickley shot up, so bad that in the four attempts to get the guns out of danger 4VCS (victoria crosses) and 18DCM (distinguished conduct medals) were won most posthumously only 2 guns were ever recovered.
1250 yards with 7mm rifles assisted by spotters but shot with open sighted rifles, not bad shooting i reckon.
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Mark Conley
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Re: boer rifleman
Nope not bad shooting at all. Guess the red coats helped with the sight picture: did they use this uniform during the Boer War?
bush musketeer said:
Nope not bad shooting at all. Guess the red coats helped with the sight picture: did they use this uniform during the Boer War?
Koldun
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On British Uniforms: Assuming you mean the First Boer War (1880-1881), then the British soldiers were indeed still being issued the famous "redcoats". If memory serves, this war was one of the primary reasons why the British Army switched to khaki-coloured field uniforms; I'm pretty sure that the change had been made by the time of the Second Boer War (1899-1902 -- also kown as the South African War).
On Sniping at Bicycles: If I remember correctly, the kid would probably have not been riding the bike at the time -- I believe the common practice was to load the bicycle with a couple hundred pounds of equipment (weapons, food, whatever) and to walk it along the trail, allowing the bike to carry much more weight than the courier could by himself. Shooting the bottom bar on a bicycle in an aimed shot from 1000m is quite a feat, although I can see a master sniper being able to do so. Of course, hitting ANY part of a bicycle with a .50 caliber round is going to pretty much disable it.
On Sniping at Bicycles: If I remember correctly, the kid would probably have not been riding the bike at the time -- I believe the common practice was to load the bicycle with a couple hundred pounds of equipment (weapons, food, whatever) and to walk it along the trail, allowing the bike to carry much more weight than the courier could by himself. Shooting the bottom bar on a bicycle in an aimed shot from 1000m is quite a feat, although I can see a master sniper being able to do so. Of course, hitting ANY part of a bicycle with a .50 caliber round is going to pretty much disable it.
bush musketeer
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Re: boer rifleman
colenso happened in the boer war 1899 to 1902 when they had already switched to the kahki uniforms. the boers used superior tactics compared to the british. they did things like putting sticks in the ground at different ranges so they didn't have to guess the range. or lettining them take a trench like at spion kop which had trenches dug on surrounding hills that gave them enfailading fire. at spion kop 9 out of ten men were shot thru the side of the head after getting into that trench.
there are also accounts of ther boers shooting down artillery crews in that war at a range of 2700 yards, with the help of their little sticks in the ground is there any modern army with soldiers capable of doing this?
Mark Conley said:bush musketeer said:
Nope not bad shooting at all. Guess the red coats helped with the sight picture: did they use this uniform during the Boer War?
colenso happened in the boer war 1899 to 1902 when they had already switched to the kahki uniforms. the boers used superior tactics compared to the british. they did things like putting sticks in the ground at different ranges so they didn't have to guess the range. or lettining them take a trench like at spion kop which had trenches dug on surrounding hills that gave them enfailading fire. at spion kop 9 out of ten men were shot thru the side of the head after getting into that trench.
there are also accounts of ther boers shooting down artillery crews in that war at a range of 2700 yards, with the help of their little sticks in the ground is there any modern army with soldiers capable of doing this?
bush musketeer
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not jokin
I am quite curious as to why you think i am joking. The writer of the article, that had that information in it. is a well known australian millitary/historian by the name of Ron Owen(he lives in qld and i have actually met him).
2700yards only equates to 2490.30 meters.
Its a bloody long way but even the sights on my jap arisaka rifle go that far, as do some of the sights on boer war rifles i have seen.
The boers were well known for there use of marking sticks, trip wires and set lines that would alert them to the enemys presence and or range as well.(battle of Magersfountain, december 1899)
At mon's the the british used volley fire at 800 yards to literaly blast german companies away. "the germans advanced in companys of 150 men in files five rows deep". which was described as insane because every bullet would hit at least two targets!
even The bren gun was even tested out 2500 yards (1931 longe range accuracy assesments at HYTHE). the 7mm cartridge of the boers rifles was a much flatter shooting cartridge then the ole 303's. So it shouldn't be that surprising that the could do such shooting
sorry if i went to far
fftopic:
but remember the boers would have grown up in a time when the would of had their rifles with them more then likely all day every day. So they knew them intimatly and could use them to their full limitations.
cheers
p.s longrange musketry is one of my fav subjects.
I am quite curious as to why you think i am joking
. The writer of the article, that had that information in it. is a well known australian millitary/historian by the name of Ron Owen(he lives in qld and i have actually met him).2700yards only equates to 2490.30 meters.
Its a bloody long way but even the sights on my jap arisaka rifle go that far, as do some of the sights on boer war rifles i have seen.
The boers were well known for there use of marking sticks, trip wires and set lines that would alert them to the enemys presence and or range as well.(battle of Magersfountain, december 1899)
At mon's the the british used volley fire at 800 yards to literaly blast german companies away. "the germans advanced in companys of 150 men in files five rows deep". which was described as insane because every bullet would hit at least two targets!
even The bren gun was even tested out 2500 yards (1931 longe range accuracy assesments at HYTHE). the 7mm cartridge of the boers rifles was a much flatter shooting cartridge then the ole 303's. So it shouldn't be that surprising that the could do such shooting
sorry if i went to far
fftopic: but remember the boers would have grown up in a time when the would of had their rifles with them more then likely all day every day. So they knew them intimatly and could use them to their full limitations.
cheers
p.s longrange musketry is one of my fav subjects.
Redneck
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I might believe that a 2700 yd shot happened ONCE with a 7 mm rifle, just out of shear dumb luck, but I would have to actually see it with my own eyes to believe it was anywhere near a common occurence. The problem is that not only do you have to worry about the trajectory (you would be firing your rifle like it was a mortar tube at that distance), but at that range wind, air temperature, and just plain miscalculations of the target's position due to heat waves and the like would all have an enormous effect on your accuracy. Let alone that your front sight would entirely cover a man-sized target at that distance.
As far as your Arisaka rifle goes, it also has anti-aircraft sights, doesn't it? How many planes do you think actually even got hit by those rifles? Point being, there are a lot of things put on rifles that you will actually never use, especially WWII Japanese rifles.
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As far as your Arisaka rifle goes, it also has anti-aircraft sights, doesn't it? How many planes do you think actually even got hit by those rifles? Point being, there are a lot of things put on rifles that you will actually never use, especially WWII Japanese rifles.
:lol:soldierzhonor
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FutureRANGER said:
I believe this is what he is talking about. On that shot the target Gunny Hathcock was riding a bicycle.