Should the Democratic Primaries in Michigan and Florida Count?

Should the Democratic Primaries in Michgan and Florida Count?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 55.6%

  • No

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • Total voters
    18
Mr.Rooster said:
Hobomba would be the worst President this country has ever had. God help us. Please vote for McCain!
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Who is hobomba? Do you mean OBAMA? If so how do you know he'll be the worst as he has not even been elected yet. Frankly hes going to have a tough time beating the current Administration for that title.

Let me ask you this: Do you really want a Commander in Chief who doesn't know the difference between Shiite and Sunni Muslims to run a war in the Middle East. Its like not knowing the difference between Chinese and Japanese in WWII. The current conflicts have already been very badly served by people who have absolute no idea about the world geopolitical situation -and in the Middle East in particular. Its cost both money and lives. We dont need another 4 more years of Bush.
 
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Hi MM - no wish to cross you on this subject, but can I ask you why you speak of another four years of Bush. Why not consider four years of McCain?

As for the war experience, McCain's credentials are as good as any, ain't they?

As for geo-politicals, how many US Presidents have been experts - they have whole teams of specialists at their disposal, and McCain would be sure-footed in handling those.

He knows the ropes, he knows the rope-a-dopes, he knows his way around the ring.

What has Obama got to match this ? Why line up behind what you do not know?

I think these are legit questions to ask a man of your metal.:smil:
 
Del Boy said:
Hi MM - no wish to cross you on this subject, but can I ask you why you speak of another four years of Bush. Why not consider four years of McCain?

As for the war experience, McCain's credentials are as good as any, ain't they?

As for geo-politicals, how many US Presidents have been experts - they have whole teams of specialists at their disposal, and McCain would be sure-footed in handling those.

He knows the ropes, he knows the rope-a-dopes, he knows his way around the ring.

What has Obama got to match this ? Why line up behind what you do not know?

I think these are legit questions to ask a man of your metal.:smil:
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Del Boy

The OTG nailed it. His policies are a direct continuation of the the current mess, and thats the last thing we need. Is he a better man than Bush? Absolutely! Do we owe him a debt of gratitude for his Service? Yes! Is he a decent human being? I never met him but I would say so despite his anger management issues. Does all of this make him a good president: No.

McCain has excellent credentials, but they are limited to defense. The President is not limited to commanding the troops, its only part of the job. Its the other 90% that concerns me, especially on the economy in which the situation is worsening rapidly and he has admitted not having experience in the area. I see McCain as a Secretary of Defense (MOD in UK) as that job plays to all his experience. But the Presidency is not suited to him.

Of course presidents have specialists. But wanting to continue a military campaign without knowing anything about the ME is extremely worrying and again another trait of the present fiasco. Bush's father and all GOP presidents before him used to have a particularly sharp mind in the geopolitical world. It used to be their strength.

Obama doesn't have a lot of experience, on the Federal level, but he was a state Congressman for 10 years. Experiance isnt always necessary. Harry S Truman was a one term senator, became a great president. Eisenhower went to the presidency directly from the military, also a good president.

What Obama offers is a change from the status quo. The impression of the GOP right now is that they only care about the wealthy. The new candidates dont offer any real solutions other then election gimmicks (like the gas-tax repeal). He is willing to things that the GOP refuses to do. Undue tax breaks for millionaires, not accept donations from lobbiests, withdraw from Iraq and continue the war against al-Qaeda wherever they are, including Pakistan. Something else the GOP refuses to do. He also believes in talking to our enemies, and is against unilaterism, and the corporate machine in general.
 
Well made points MM.
Taking the early hours of this morning (here) as the election head to head kicking off, I watched both speeches, McCain first and then Obama from Minnesota.

McCain's i found very reserved and calm, somewhat down-played. Whether this is agenda or nature I could not tell. Unfortunately for him I thought it did not do well in defying the age process on power and strength. Maybe he was talking softly and carrying a big stick!

On the other hand, Obama's speech was very impressive, uncannily reminiscent of Martin Luther King. Plus lots of glamour facial shots and beautiful smiles. On this score I have to hope that you are buying the real deal, and not just a sharp, smart, handsome sweet-talker with a very good line in patriotism. The candidate with everything?

You would have got the impression that it was Obama who was the soldier and the free-trader, if you did not know better.

How's that for an onlooker's review? Obama - I am warming to him. America has me hooked now!
 
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I personally don't care. And as Lewis Black said, "Either way you're voting for a bowl of sh*t. The only difference is the smell.
 
Hey MM... If McCain is direct continuation of Bush then why is it that I.... a die hard Bush Supporter and Republican does not trust McCain 100%.

McCain is a great man, served his nation in war, came home, and continued to serve of public office. He is a firm believer in the rights of the people and has both the experience from his years overseas as a member of the armed services and also as a veteran member of Congress.


Why do I and other Republicans have issues with him? Because while we respect McCain. He is not the Reagan Conservative that we wanted in office. He leans a little to the left. Not much but some. Bush is more to the right then McCain is. McCain himself has openly spoken against President Bush.

Obama on the other hand is another typical politician. He makes speeches, promises crap that can't be kept, and doesn't even have the experience to lead a cub scout camp out let alone a Super Power.
 
I understand from detailed news in the last 24 hours that McCain promoted the introduction of the recent and successful surge in Iraq in 2003 and struggled to do so 'til it happened. This appears to have been something of a lone battle within his party.

I understand from similar news broadcasts that Obama is the most left-wing politician on Capitol Hill. Is this generally accepted?
 
Del Boy said:
I understand from detailed news in the last 24 hours that McCain promoted the introduction of the recent and successful surge in Iraq in 2003 and struggled to do so 'til it happened. This appears to have been something of a lone battle within his party.

I understand from similar news broadcasts that Obama is the most left-wing politician on Capitol Hill. Is this generally accepted?
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Pretty much...
 
What we're seeing from McCain right now is the continued belief that the Right only wins by running to the right. McCain wasn't labeled a maverick by the media and his own party by toting the party line his entire career, now he is doing so to appease the base. To win the Republican Party's nomination he had to move to the right but that hurts him in the general.
 
You know something - I bet that you guys will get yourself the best man for your time! What a process - what a tussle. Here, which is completely irrelevant of course, Lord Howe, our past cabinet member, who missed the Prime Minister boat in Maggie's time, suggested when asked that he would have liked Obama as President, just, and McCain as Secretary of State, but I guess it don't work that way. Anyway, we are watching you with bated breath, this is the big one, if ever there was one. But already it has been great for USA and the reputation of your people, whatever. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
 
Dems give Michigan and Florida full voting rights

It look like the Dems caved in on their threats to punish Michigan and Florida voters.
DENVER – Democratic delegates from Michigan and Florida were awarded full voting rights at the national convention Sunday, despite holding early primaries against party rules.
The convention credentials committee voted unanimously to restore the voting privileges at the behest of Barack Obama, the party's presumptive nominee for president. The states were initially stripped of delegates for holding primaries before Feb. 5. The party's rules committee restored the delegates in May, but gave them only half votes.
Democrats hope the gesture will strengthen their standing in two important battleground states while ending a contentious chapter of the nominating process.
"The only way we will be successful is if we are unified as a party and all Democrats know we are full partners," said Chris Edley Jr., a committee member from California who introduced the resolution to restore Florida's votes.
The party's move raises questions about whether it will be able to control its primary calendar in the future. A commission will work on the issue over the next two years.
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Well, now that it's been determined that the votes don't matter, then sure, let them in. The only reason they were witholding them was because they didn't want controversial votes deciding a nomination.
 
Yeah the whole affair is great for goodwill among Democratic voters in these states. The convention is shaping up to be an interesting affair.
 
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