I hear your point, 03USMC. Yup, we absolutely had Arab allies with us in the First Gulf War, and I certainly should not have denigrated their actions in concert with the Allied Coalition.However, do you think they would have taken it upon themselves to liberate Kuwait had we not taken the lead? Just curious, but if Saudi Arabia and Qatar and UAE et al would have taken up arms independently to do so, I would have been glad to see it.
Also, the LAST thing I should do is lump all "Muslims" in the same category. There are good and decent Muslims fighting with us, the Coalition, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, also in Pakistan, even in the Phillippines, Indonesia, Djibouti, and several other countries. It gets really easy to lump everyone in the same category, and I was wrong to do so.
***Ted: Glad to be speaking to someone from Nederlands. I honestly think that the invasion of Iraq was based on good intentions, and good intel. Sadam Husayn was head of a terrorist state, with terrorist training camps and an intelligence and logistics network working in support of terrorist groups, as well as connections to Hezbollah and Hamas, also paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers in support of the attacks on our ally, Israel.
Additionally, there was definite intel, not only from US intelligence but from SEVERAL other nations' intelligence agencies, that he was working on a nuke program (which we DID locate 500 tons of yellowcake uranium stockpiled) and he had already demonstrated not only a chemical production capability but had also used chemical weapons against his OWN people. In addition, Sadam was in violation of the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire.
Also, I think that Iraq was seen as a bridgehead into the MidEast in support of the Afghan ops, and a jumping-off point for a planned attack on Iran and overthrow of the Iranian terrorist government. Unfortunately, the attack on Iran never came off because of undercutting of the war effort on the home front, and opposition from allies. Iran IS the nexus of international terror, make no bones about it. Additionally, the seizure of Iraq physically separated Iran and her little buddy, Assad, in Syria.I think the liberation of the Iraqi people was a GOOD thing, NOT because it was based on supporting my political party, because freeing oppressed people from evil, brutal dicators is the right thing to do. I thought it a terrible misstep stopping the First Gulf War without the capitulation of the Iraqi government, leaving the people of Iraq to suffer under Sadam's Ba'athist regime (modeled on Nazi Germany, by the way, same for the Syrian arm), and standing by while Sadam massacred the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs was a horrible thing to do.
Finally, on Obama, and his gutless yellow streak. Someone claimed they could find just as many vets to support Obama as oppose him: I would take that bet in a heartbeat. Most vets know a backstabbing political opportunist, and an avowed enemy of the US military, when they see one.
Obama is an America-hating Leftist who was raised by an America-hating hippie, taught in an America-hating madrassa in Indonesia, traveled to Pakistan at a time that ACTUAL American citizens could not. He pals around with scum like William Ayers (who ATTACKED US military assets in the United States along with his skank wife Bernardine Dohrn), sat in pews of an America-hating preacher named Jeremiah Wright, and studied at the knee of an avowed America-hating communist ("Uncle Frank" in his memoirs). Those are his anti-America/anti-West credentials.
So why the yellow streak? 1. Appoints Hillary Clinton as Sec of State in the midst of a war. 2. Appoints Leon Panetta, a man with NO intel background, as head of CIA. 3. IGNORES the advice of General David Petraeus (a stellar man accused by Hillary Clinton of LYING about the success of the Iraqi surge). 4. Stabs Israel in the back by stating publicly that he would not support our ally attacking Iran to remove an existential threat. 5. IMMEDIATELY begins dismantling the Anti-Ballistic Missile program, and abandons the Poles AND the Czech Republic, who WANT interceptors in their countries, in favor of KGB Putin's Russia (and Hillary hands the KGB-trained Russian foreign minister a toy button glommed from a Staples office products store marked "reset" in her mind but actually says something else). 6. Abandons the decades-long policy of isolation of the Communist dictatorship of Cuba, HUGS Hugo Chavez, and stabs our ally Colombia in the back by refusing to pass free trade to bolster that ally's economy). 7. Declares that he will launch attacks on our ALLY, Pakistan. 8. The ONLY government he slashes is what? THE DEFENSE BUDGET!!! He KILLS the F-22 Raptor, the new Destroyer class, seeks to slash additional carrier GROUPS from the fleet, the list goes on...and as you can see, so can I. Sorry to take up so much space.
Also, the LAST thing I should do is lump all "Muslims" in the same category. There are good and decent Muslims fighting with us, the Coalition, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, also in Pakistan, even in the Phillippines, Indonesia, Djibouti, and several other countries. It gets really easy to lump everyone in the same category, and I was wrong to do so.
***Ted: Glad to be speaking to someone from Nederlands. I honestly think that the invasion of Iraq was based on good intentions, and good intel. Sadam Husayn was head of a terrorist state, with terrorist training camps and an intelligence and logistics network working in support of terrorist groups, as well as connections to Hezbollah and Hamas, also paying families of Palestinian suicide bombers in support of the attacks on our ally, Israel.
Additionally, there was definite intel, not only from US intelligence but from SEVERAL other nations' intelligence agencies, that he was working on a nuke program (which we DID locate 500 tons of yellowcake uranium stockpiled) and he had already demonstrated not only a chemical production capability but had also used chemical weapons against his OWN people. In addition, Sadam was in violation of the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire.
Also, I think that Iraq was seen as a bridgehead into the MidEast in support of the Afghan ops, and a jumping-off point for a planned attack on Iran and overthrow of the Iranian terrorist government. Unfortunately, the attack on Iran never came off because of undercutting of the war effort on the home front, and opposition from allies. Iran IS the nexus of international terror, make no bones about it. Additionally, the seizure of Iraq physically separated Iran and her little buddy, Assad, in Syria.I think the liberation of the Iraqi people was a GOOD thing, NOT because it was based on supporting my political party, because freeing oppressed people from evil, brutal dicators is the right thing to do. I thought it a terrible misstep stopping the First Gulf War without the capitulation of the Iraqi government, leaving the people of Iraq to suffer under Sadam's Ba'athist regime (modeled on Nazi Germany, by the way, same for the Syrian arm), and standing by while Sadam massacred the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs was a horrible thing to do.
Finally, on Obama, and his gutless yellow streak. Someone claimed they could find just as many vets to support Obama as oppose him: I would take that bet in a heartbeat. Most vets know a backstabbing political opportunist, and an avowed enemy of the US military, when they see one.
Obama is an America-hating Leftist who was raised by an America-hating hippie, taught in an America-hating madrassa in Indonesia, traveled to Pakistan at a time that ACTUAL American citizens could not. He pals around with scum like William Ayers (who ATTACKED US military assets in the United States along with his skank wife Bernardine Dohrn), sat in pews of an America-hating preacher named Jeremiah Wright, and studied at the knee of an avowed America-hating communist ("Uncle Frank" in his memoirs). Those are his anti-America/anti-West credentials.
So why the yellow streak? 1. Appoints Hillary Clinton as Sec of State in the midst of a war. 2. Appoints Leon Panetta, a man with NO intel background, as head of CIA. 3. IGNORES the advice of General David Petraeus (a stellar man accused by Hillary Clinton of LYING about the success of the Iraqi surge). 4. Stabs Israel in the back by stating publicly that he would not support our ally attacking Iran to remove an existential threat. 5. IMMEDIATELY begins dismantling the Anti-Ballistic Missile program, and abandons the Poles AND the Czech Republic, who WANT interceptors in their countries, in favor of KGB Putin's Russia (and Hillary hands the KGB-trained Russian foreign minister a toy button glommed from a Staples office products store marked "reset" in her mind but actually says something else). 6. Abandons the decades-long policy of isolation of the Communist dictatorship of Cuba, HUGS Hugo Chavez, and stabs our ally Colombia in the back by refusing to pass free trade to bolster that ally's economy). 7. Declares that he will launch attacks on our ALLY, Pakistan. 8. The ONLY government he slashes is what? THE DEFENSE BUDGET!!! He KILLS the F-22 Raptor, the new Destroyer class, seeks to slash additional carrier GROUPS from the fleet, the list goes on...and as you can see, so can I. Sorry to take up so much space.
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