major liability
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HK416 is nice if you're trained on AR-15 pattern weapons but I still prefer a bullpup. Lighter, shorter, more ergonomic.
major liability said:HK416 is nice if you're trained on AR-15 pattern weapons but I still prefer a bullpup. Lighter, shorter, more ergonomic.
I guess it's a matter of taste.PJ24 said:They aren't really any more ergonomic than the M4 or HK416, actually.
The FN F2000 can fire from either side.PJ24 said:As for shorter overall, yes, but that also redistributes the weight. Bullpups have a heavy butt, trigger pulls aren't so hot because of the long trigger linkage, and you can't fire them from the weak side, which is a disadvantage when doing MOUT.
All of those have longer barrels than the M4; it would be fairer and more correct to compare them with the M16A2, which is heavier than the M4.PJ24 said:You mentioned the Tavor, which is about 2.4kg empty, the M4 is about 2.5kg empty, so "lighter" isn't really a factor. In fact, most weigh more than the M4. (FAMAS, FN, Steyr, SAR-21 are some examples).
Apart from the longer barrel, which gives better accuracy and better stopping power (which the 5.56 round needs).PJ24 said:Like with most weapons, there are advantages and disadvantages to choosing one or the other. Conventional infantry can certainly make the the bullpup work to their advantage, but again, it has no great advantages over the traditional carbine either.
Doug97 said:I guess it's a matter of taste.
The FN F2000 can fire from either side.
All of those have longer barrels than the M4; it would be fairer and more correct to compare them with the M16A2, which is heavier than the M4.
Apart from the longer barrel, which gives better accuracy and better stopping power (which the 5.56 round needs).
PJ24 said:It is a matter of preference. One is no better than the other.
The Steyr AUG, the FAMAS, the L85A2 and the SAR21 all have barrels that are much closer in length to the M16 than the M4.PJ24 said:Not really, because the barrel isn't long enough to compare with the M16. It is closer to the M4.
sven hassell said:I know its off topic but seeing as we are onto the usual bullpup v standard debate how come no-one has used helical magazines in an assault rifle?