Iowa Supreme Court Overturns Gay Marriage Ban
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ASTRALdragon
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This battle over same-sex marriage will go on for a long time. As liberal as the notion of same-sex marriage may be, I just don't think the U.S. is ready for it. I also do not think it will go in the same direction as the civil rights movement for African Americans. The acceptance of same-sex marriages and the civil rights of blacks are two very very different concepts.
Personally, I'm against gay marriages because 1) I don't know where else it may lead, 2) it makes a mockery of my future marriage, and 3) it is against my faith's doctrine.
Personally, I'm against gay marriages because 1) I don't know where else it may lead, 2) it makes a mockery of my future marriage, and 3) it is against my faith's doctrine.
senojekips
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That's all very well in a situation where your opinion deserves some respect, but it's not always the case. There are people here who would rather be known for telling it straight and true, rather than popularity with unsocialised minorities.
My views could probably be described as democratic socialist, but I'm not so enamoured with that leaning as to loose sight of the fact that the world is run by majority rule and I may as well get used to it.
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AZ_Infantry
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My computer and this glitch that allows me Internet access is the only way I have to make money - usually by viewing Craigslist and doing something my doctor tells me will result in my permanent paralyzing. What part of "one leg" stymies you? What part of getting a college degree online eludes you? What part of not having a computer to just make ends meet so I don't eat my gun avoids your sense of fairness?
Pass judgment all you want, bro. I've been working since I was 12. I started by sanding railings for a painting company in the apartments next to us because my dad was a drunk and my family NEEDED -- not wanted, but NEEDED -- my endeavors. My brother and my mother relied on me.
You may see me as a child unwilling to work all you wish.
The fact is that I am a man that has been busting my butt since 1982, has raised 5 kids, lived through two marriages, two wars, and earned everything on my DD214 and then some. I've run crews of 27 MEN, been a squad leader in places your boots will never touch, and a loving father and husband.
That I am in the position where I am now is a result of simple life. I don't want to be here. Mock me all you want you insensitive azz. But it ain't your work accomplished or your empty belly. I am honestly happy that you just don't get it, as it means that you have the means to do for you and yours - I seriously and honestly want nothing but the best for you, so I am seriously and honestly glad for you that you're not living my life right now.
But don't think that it can't happen to you. I once did - then reality bit me in the behind.
I have no transportation, no buses, no nothing anymore. You find that funny enough to suggest selling the one thing that brings in a bit of cash for me from time to time.
You're naive, at best.
Regardless, I harbor no ill will at you at all. But you do judge too fast. I don't want or need your pity - in fact, I detest pity. I am and was a soldier. I'll do what I have to do. When I go to the grave and meet my maker, at least I'll be able to be honest with Him and not kneel with a bunch of excuses. I will stand as a man.
BritinBritain
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senojekips
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Me too, but you'd have to settle for a Rum we Navy men don't go much for softdrinks (pop in the US)
Rob Henderson
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The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)
That's about the best I could find... It's from Wikipedia, but the original source is cited at the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
BritinBritain
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Me too, but you'd have to settle for a Rum we Navy men don't go much for softdrinks (pop in the US)
I still have nightmares about "neaters":drunkb:
Chukpike
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So you could not find any statistics to support your "fact" as stated: "It's the fact that the Supreme Court went against the will of the people because they saw the whole picture."
So you try and manipulate a source that does not support your statement.
From Rob's source.
"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, July 2, 1964)
The act passed by the following Majority vote. Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:
- The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
- The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
- The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)"
So you throw out the majority opinion and give us how the losing side voted.
How dumb do you think the people that read this forum are?
You do this forum a disservice by not admitting that you made a totally unsupportable statement.
It also shows you have a complete inability to debate an issue with any kind of logic.
All you wish to do is argue.
This may be a reflection of the deteriorating quality of the educational system in the US. Did you actually graduate from High School? If you are attending college, I doubt seriously you would show this work to your professors.
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Bravo AZ, It is an honour to know you. I salute you and your efforts. TOG has no idea, he has a great deal to learn.
When I was young and wealthy, I thought there was no way it could ever end; I used to entertain my drinking buddies and their partners with my party piece, the great -depression song 'Buddy can you spare a dime.'(1932)
I don't sing that song no more!; here's a reminder:-
"They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob.
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear,
I was always there, right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead --
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?
Once I built a railroad, I made it run,
Made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad, now it's done --
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun,
brick and rivet and lime.
Once I built a tower, now it's done --
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once in khaki suits, gee, we looked swell
Full of that Yankee Doodle-de-dum.
Half a million boots went slogging through hell,
And I was the kid with the drum.
Say, don't you remember they called me Al,
It was Al all the time.
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal --
Say, buddy, can you spare a dime?"
(As I said, now I'm grown up, I don't sing that song no more.)
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Rob Henderson
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I couldn't find any statistics on how the population felt about it at all. There was nothing representing either side. If you have some information saying that the majority of Americans DID support the Supreme Court decisions then PLEASE share it. I'd love to see the progressive minds of people in the 60s.
I could not answer you how dumb I think SOME people on this forum are for fear of pushing the moderators over the top and banning me.
Chukpike, do you really believe what you're saying? You really think after all I've shown you, not just in this debate, but in others, that all I'm saying is my own opinion? I can pull my own posts and SHOW you where I've defended my statements with proof when asked for it.
Yes, I graduated from one of the top high schools in Alabama with honors. I made a 29 on the ACT, and am attending the University of Montevallo. But you can believe what you want... I could give two shakes of a rat's @$$ what you think of me. Your opinion is just that. An opinion. It means absolutely nothing to me, because you don't know me. You only know the side of me that disagrees with you, therefore your opinion of me as a whole is a negative one. It's a shame, but it's the same way I feel about you, so it works out.
I could not answer you how dumb I think SOME people on this forum are for fear of pushing the moderators over the top and banning me.
Chukpike, do you really believe what you're saying? You really think after all I've shown you, not just in this debate, but in others, that all I'm saying is my own opinion? I can pull my own posts and SHOW you where I've defended my statements with proof when asked for it.
Yes, I graduated from one of the top high schools in Alabama with honors. I made a 29 on the ACT, and am attending the University of Montevallo. But you can believe what you want... I could give two shakes of a rat's @$$ what you think of me. Your opinion is just that. An opinion. It means absolutely nothing to me, because you don't know me. You only know the side of me that disagrees with you, therefore your opinion of me as a whole is a negative one. It's a shame, but it's the same way I feel about you, so it works out.
Chukpike
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"I can pull my own posts and SHOW you where I've defended my statements with proof when asked for it.' quote Rob Henderson
OK, please do. It is obvious you did not prove your last statement.
Rob Henderson
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Remember this Chukpike?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3008-homosexuality-is-biological-suggests-gay-sheep-study.html
How the study showed that the same thing that made rams gay, was found to be enlarged in gay men?
Never did dispute that, did you?
And thank you Del Boy. I appreciate that. Like I said, regardless of how he feels, I'm still me, and that's all that matters. I could give a damn what someone on the Internet thinks of me. *rolls eyes*
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3008-homosexuality-is-biological-suggests-gay-sheep-study.html
How the study showed that the same thing that made rams gay, was found to be enlarged in gay men?
Never did dispute that, did you?
And thank you Del Boy. I appreciate that. Like I said, regardless of how he feels, I'm still me, and that's all that matters. I could give a damn what someone on the Internet thinks of me. *rolls eyes*
I totally agree w/you...when mom said life was tough, I laughed in her face....today my laughter is gone, and replaced with only the eagerness to survive in this unruling world....and I daily stop and think "You know mom was right"....so with that said I respect my elders, becuase they are wise, and know ****'bout life....
Rob Henderson
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Anyone who knows me in real life knows I am always respectful to my elders. I was raised in a Southern, military family. I spoke politely, and always addressed anyone older than me as Sir or Ma'am. And in return, they respected me as a mature adult. They realize that I am mature and completely capable of forming my own educated opinions that are just as valid as theirs. What I didn't tolerate is when someone thought they knew me, and decided that I was just some young buck without a clue. They learned. It's just taking some people on here a little longer.
Chukpike
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This is where you tried to prove your contention that gays were born that way.
Yes, I did dispute that your source proved that homosexuals were born that way.
Apparently you agreed with me as you have now changed your position to;
"While there has been no conclusive evidence to the existing of a homosexual gene, there has ALSO been no evidence to the contrary. No one can prove whether or not homosexuality is genetic..." quote Rob Henderson See post #35 in this thread.
Have a nice day Rob.:smil:
Rob Henderson
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No one can prove it or disprove it. No, you never proved me wrong. Because there is no conclusive evidence EITHER WAY. You have no more evidence to your case as I do to mine. And since neither of us is a homosexual, we have no experience in the matter to weigh our opinion more heavily.
You have a nice day too.
You have a nice day too.
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