Hitler: Insane Or Genius?

Hitler...

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I've always wondered what it'll be like for people who met him face to face..

A powerful presence or what..? :roll:
 
I read that he had very hypnotic eyes. Full of passion which he transferred to others (weaklings IMO).
Those who didn't succumb to his "charisma" were quickly removed from their positions and replaced with the ones who shared his vision of the Reich.
According to the book I read he felt anxiety(stress?) around high society, a bit of an inferiority complex from the old days IMO.
Socialising with the people from the street and not so smart women brought him great joy.

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If you have a reasonably powerful mind(will) you probably wouldn't be impressed, because the moment you would show your opposition he'd start yelling at you.
Egocentric megalomaniac is a good term for Hitler I suppose.
 
godofthunder9010 said:
I worry that Russia will have its own Hitler sometime in the near future. They couldn't be better primed for it.
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A good Frederick Forsyth novel called 'Icon' deals with just such a possibility.
 
Aye, the "Ghost" army was a beautiful diversion during D-Day. They sent the fake soldiers (Ruperts) and whatnot to Calais. For a good display of this, check out "The Longest Day."
 
Hitler was not the only person that hated Jews and Germany was not the only country where anti-semitism was rampant and was not the only country trying to get rid of the Jews, France and Britian set very low quotas for the number of Jews they would allow into their countries. The extermination of the Jews was called the final solution for a reason, they other attempts by Germany to rid themselves of the "Jewish plague" had failed. Just to think, if France and Britain had allowed jews into their countries the Holocaust may have never happened, Israel may never have come to be, and 9/11 might not have happened. Just something for you to ponder.

Back to the question. I think the two go hand in hand, seems like many, many geniouses end up going insane because they can not talk to anyone of their equivalent (loneliness is a powerful force) or they try to pursue a problem/challenge that was beyond their limits and for the first time in their lives could not figure out the solution and eventually were driven insane, or in some cases they invented a powerful new weapon that was meant to be a deterrent and when it was used they felt so guilty that they either went insane or killed themselves. (Isn't that what happened to Oppenheimer? One of the designers of the Atomic Bomb.)
 
well..personally i dont believe Hitler was insane..id rather feel he was lonely.

now, before you start flinging the tomatoes..have a think first.

Exceptionally bright. Talented. Artistic. and bounced around like a ping pong ball family wise. probably the shyest wallflower imaginable. Probably the butt of ever ill humored joke...every twist of the tail his school friends could come up with. I have seen it so many times..if you are different, and you stick out..either bright or not..you get hammered.

So you grow up..secretly wishing, secretly hoping.just for someone to talk too..and you clear finally into adulthood. Where you suddenly get a war thrown in your face. Not just a usal run of the mill war mind you. a technologically enhanced one. Planes. machine guns. Poison Gas. Good lord knows what else. You might have lost a little more of the innocence there and maybee a few of what friends you might have had that could have guided you better.

so..in a few years..you are really starting to starve for any type of companionship...and along comes a few, off set nuts that despite their own quirks..aint judging the new kid. and they accept him..a war veteran. they let him hang around....

and they discover that the young man..who wanted to say something..anything..can speak. why not? its been bottled up inside him..waiting to get out for years. and these friends put that to work for them. resulting in some jail time for him...

where hes put in with some one that will listen..and probably tells him "hey thats great! you ought to write that down"...and the rest is history.

Everything else..is aftermath, friend or confidont induced. Oh its his signature, its his speeches, its what he wanted to do i guess...but i think the pride got him too, along with the desire just to have someone like him.
 
I don't know about the poor little picked on Adolfi business, but I can say that the man figured out how to make friends and influence masses of people. He was no less charismatic in person than he was talking to the masses, and very few people saw through to the rotten core.

Mark, you're absolutely right about one thing. Hitler was a product of World War I. After trying to gather assorted body parts from a comrade who had been blown to bits, and somehow surviving any one of those insane charges across "No-Man's-Land", the morality side of the brain is likely to not have much left. He volunteered for one of the most dangerous missions possible, that of being a messenger, so people calling him a coward makes little sense.

As far as the Holocaust goes, perhaps it took something that bad for Antisemitics everywhere to abandon their prejudices. The world today is a lot more careful about their view of Jews because they see what blind hatred did in Natzi Germany.
 
sometimes..i think we could just head off things like him..if we just gave a damn. we dont know what we do when we shut someone off..or out.

yeah, i know. im still ever hopeful.

By the way..no i dont condone any of the crap that came out of him, and his little henchmen. and yes, i would have been first in line to put a bullet in his brain. for what he and his cohorts did, a bullet is the least i could do for him.
 
Iam sorry there is no way he was anything other than a complete bloody madman,forget the fact he became chancellor that is no difference than the top man in Somalia being top dog,you obtain that by creating fear and terror and killing your oponants ,what next Stalin was not mad or purhapes POL POT WAS REALLY TRYING TO HELP HIS PEOPLE please get a grip. I know that there are people that find him interesting but surely that interest should end with the knowledge that he killed so many inocent people,lets keep the profiling to the PEOPLE WHO CATCH SERAL KILLERS
tAFF
 
Gee Taff was it something we said?

remember if its an a opinion its an a opinion..not a march through georgia with Sherman and the gang.... :D
 
It takes more than an insane idiot to build from the ashes of post WW1 germany a military might that darn near conquered the globe. he was a brilliant man that took things tooooo far. I believe they call this a power trip. He was pissed off at what he saw happen to Germany after WW1, where predominantly jewish buisinessmen took over the businesses owned by germans impoverished by the post WW1 depression, then in turn having the former owners work for them for pennies. in fact, there was alot of anti-semetics in germany AND america at this time. Henry Ford was fiercly anti-semetic. Hitler, coming to such a great position of power twisted this view in to the notion that he should kill them all to regain the "Fatherland" for the Germans. this was always in his head (per "Mine Kaumpf"), but coming to power gave him the ways & means to put into effect his own personal agenda. God Bless Democracy, eh? not an excuse by far, but Hitler was by far not an idiot.
 
I think Adolf Hitler was a brilliant man, he is just misunderstood by most people who hate him. He fought for what he believed in. Unfortunately, it resulted in 6 million deaths.
 
It's amazing how often genius and insanity are confused with each other.
As for Hitler, he probably was a genius- but he was also an absolutely evil psychopath who surrounded himself with evil, prejudiced intellectuals- people in his own mould. He didn't rise to the level of power through his intellect or so-called 'brilliance' alone, he played on the German people's misfortune and misgivings, warped it into mindless prejudice, and built his power-base through propaganda, hatred, fear and tyranny.
That anyone here can find anything positive (and let's not have any 'well, he did make the trains run on time' quips please!) to say about him is unbelievable to say the least, and pretty abhorrent.
Misunderstood? I don't think it's the people who have a well-justified hatred of the Nazi regime that are the ones who misunderstand things here.
 
No, Hitler built his powerbase on propaganda, trust, and promises to make Germany great once again, which is exactly what he ended up doing, he then deviated away from what most people expected, slowly, brillaintly, started to warp the minds of the public, essentially bribing the population with presents, new radios, motorcycles, cars, homes, loyalty to the party meant a better life.

And Hitler did not spread anti-semitism, it was already embetted into the lives of all europeans, infact I believe it was the Russians who started the first pogroms, Germany tried to deport the jews but France had a quota of about 40,000 and England around 50,000.
 
that is correct - Hitler was first turned on to anti-semetism through pamphlets & anti-semetic newspapers in Vienna, in the late 20`s? I believe... From his own words in Mine Kaumpf, he started reading the propoganda & then started to see in real life what the papers were accusing the jews of. even before hitler was known at all, papers of the time accused the jews of undermining German society & morals through the media & infiltration into German government. even before that, anti-semitism was wide spread in even america... George Washington, Mark Twain & Henry Ford were all quoted as being anti semetic... jewish persecution was definatly nothing new in hitlers regime (pogroms of Russia, Poland and Hungary are prime examples) but Hitler took it to another level with the concept of the concentration camp.
 
i can't believe that ppl still are even considering asking this question! who cares what his IQ was and why is anyone asking if he was a genious? He killed how many? he considered that how many ppl wern't human? he did what kind of things. People...Who defines what sane is? That is right the people around you. If someone next door to you started to lock people in cages and do experiments on them there would be no question as to what there mental status was. No matter if your neighbor was the smartest kid in class or the nicest man you had ever met he is a psycho. Hitler's accomplishments doesn't mean that he was smart it means that he knows how to look sane. no matter what influenced his decisions when it comes down to it there is no way anyone can justify his lack of human worth. Hitler knew right from wrong in the beginning. He shot himself in the head in the end when he knew he had been defeated. he knew what he was doing was wrong, end of story. a GENIUS would have known better.
 
Due to some idealess sudden change in the battle strategy he won quite a few Big Battles that time.

But also becoz of this. He lost the change to win the Battle of Stalin grad in the first year.
 
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