Chinese PLA Army Drilling Pictures
Damien435
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SHERMAN said:
They don't need to do a OPFOR (Opposing Forces) style of wargame, they just need to take two regular army units who have the same equip and pit them against each other, not give one side the most modern equip in their arsenal and the other side the most recently decomissioned equipment.
The United States had no problem setting up our OPFOR when we were fighting the Soviets, all we had to do was buy their equipment and they sent over the equipment, operation manuals, and then sent experts to train the people the soviet battle tactics. Then once we had soldiers trained they became the enemy, almost literally, they would use the same equip, where the same uniforms, eat the same, essentially becoming the enemy, quite interesting.
pla
i think how many fearless soldiers an army has is more important than how many good weapons it has,a fearless army is invincible. that's why PLA didn't lost a war or conflict since it founded, and all it's enemies have better equipments(UN army in Korea, USSR, Vietnamese and Hindu).
i think how many fearless soldiers an army has is more important than how many good weapons it has,a fearless army is invincible. that's why PLA didn't lost a war or conflict since it founded, and all it's enemies have better equipments(UN army in Korea, USSR, Vietnamese and Hindu).
ravensword227
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Re: pla
I would rather die holding the line and take a bunch of them with me in an Alamo esque battle.
Yeah but it has got to suck charging into battle knowing that you probably wont do anything other than stop bullets for the next human wave. How could the Chinese soldiers at Chosin Resevoir (Korean War) feel a sense of accomplishment? It was a slaughter … just look at the heavily stacked Chinese casualties.rzhugang said:
I would rather die holding the line and take a bunch of them with me in an Alamo esque battle.
Re: pla
Yeah but it has got to suck charging into battle knowing that you probably wont do anything other than stop bullets for the next human wave. How could the Chinese soldiers at Chosin Resevoir (Korean War) feel a sense of accomplishment? It was a slaughter … just look at the heavily stacked Chinese casualties.
Yeah u see thats the porblem with traditional chinese tactics. Massed infantry charges worked in the past but only when u had an EXTREME advantage in numbers. Indeed chinese losses were huge in the korean war even though the eventual outcome was was indecisive. In fact things could have turned out much worse for the chinese if C-47 gunships were available at the time. It was down to pure luck that this project - even though feasible - was never pursued during the immediate postwar years.
I feel that the PLA should feel lucky that it gained experiance during the Korean War and never repeat such tactics in the 21st Century. Unfortuantely it seems that the PLA is stubborn as the same kind of tactics were used against the Indians in the short 1963 clashes.
The PLA needs to get rid of its illusions.
Yeah but it has got to suck charging into battle knowing that you probably wont do anything other than stop bullets for the next human wave. How could the Chinese soldiers at Chosin Resevoir (Korean War) feel a sense of accomplishment? It was a slaughter … just look at the heavily stacked Chinese casualties.
Yeah u see thats the porblem with traditional chinese tactics. Massed infantry charges worked in the past but only when u had an EXTREME advantage in numbers. Indeed chinese losses were huge in the korean war even though the eventual outcome was was indecisive. In fact things could have turned out much worse for the chinese if C-47 gunships were available at the time. It was down to pure luck that this project - even though feasible - was never pursued during the immediate postwar years.
I feel that the PLA should feel lucky that it gained experiance during the Korean War and never repeat such tactics in the 21st Century. Unfortuantely it seems that the PLA is stubborn as the same kind of tactics were used against the Indians in the short 1963 clashes.
The PLA needs to get rid of its illusions.
Ahh, this is getting off-toppic, but let me comment shortly, and If you wish to react please open a new topic.
You are mistaken. The soviets did not send over anything. The USA used captured soviet made weapons. And sice the US was engaged with second rate soviet allies, they could not get large ammoiunts of first line Soviet weaponry. Only after the USSR collapsed, the USA bought what ever it needed. The only country to have massive ammounts of captured front-line Soviet equippement, in an ammount allowing force on force training in large sized forces was Israel. The IDF reached the situation where we had literally a few Brigades armed with Soviet weapons.
FlyingFrog
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I believe those Military Observers have better to say about Chinese Militry Exercises.
Foreign observers attend Chinese war games for first time
On August 25, 27 military observers from 15 countries including the U.S, Russia, the U.K, France, Germany, Israel, South Africa, Canada, Thailand and Pakistan came to a combined tactical exercise base in Zhurihe in north China's Inner Mongolia to watch a confrontation exercise with real troops by a unit of armored brigade from the Beijing Military Area Command. The exercise was the first of its kind to be open to foreign military observers. The performance of Chinese troops won their loud applauses.
Though coming from different countries and speaking different tongues, the observers are all experts in the area of military exercises. They warmly clapped their hands when they reached the modern 1 000 km2 exercise base. It is a large modern combined tactical drill base with mountains, hills and plains designed to provide a base for military exercise with troops at division and corps level.
A senior officer of the U.S. Army told reporters that he was very pleased to be invited to watch the exercise and that a U.S. training center held large scale exercises for territorial forces every 7 months and that was the place where solders learn how to fight. He added that your training center in Zhurihe was great and it was an ideal place for exercises. A brigade commander from a Singaporean armored unit said that as one of the first foreign observers to come to the exercise base he felt very happy and was shocked by the first large exercise he saw in China. He continued that Singapore was very small in size and could only rent foreign base for exercises.
On the way to the base were neatly aligned military vehicles and equipment including helicopter gunship, tanks, armored vehicles, infantry vehicles, artilleries and nearly 5 000 soldiers wearing camouflage uniforms belonging to different arms of the army. The foreign observers showed great interests in the exercise.
The foreign visitors arrived at their destination at 10:00am to watch the exercise in which the "Blue Army" and "Red army" launched fierce "attacks" against each other using various kinds of vehicles and equipment in a large area. Foreign observers recorded the exercises using their cameras or video cameras.
After the six-hour practice, organized by China's Beijing Military Command, Steven Krstic from Britain said it was the first time for him to see so much Chinese military equipment as well as so many different kinds of Chinese armaments.
These war games were very successful, and it was good for China to invite foreigners to observe them, said Ahmet Celik from Turkey.
A brigade commander from a U.S. infantry unit commented that the exercise was organized in a scientific way, neither side knew the other's situations and it was like a real battle. A Tanzanian defense official praised the modernization of the Chinese troops and the effective coordination among different arms of the army.
According to the Foreign Affairs Office of the Ministry of National Defense, the invitation of foreign military observers to watch the exercise was designed to increase military exchanges and cooperation between China and the rest of the world, to adjust to new military changes in the world and to build up friendship and mutual confidence.
Some comments from those observers echoed the words of the office. A senior Russian officer said that the base was advanced, modern and practical and that the exercise could serve to increase the friendship and cooperation between the two countries. A Turkish military attache showed great interest in saying that they saw these highly qualified Chinese troops and the exercise would help strengthen military understanding and exchanges between China and Turkey. He finally added that the Chinese soldiers were welcome to Turkey to watch its military drills.
Pix of the Zhurihe Training Center mentioned in above acrticle:
Foreign observers attend Chinese war games for first time
On August 25, 27 military observers from 15 countries including the U.S, Russia, the U.K, France, Germany, Israel, South Africa, Canada, Thailand and Pakistan came to a combined tactical exercise base in Zhurihe in north China's Inner Mongolia to watch a confrontation exercise with real troops by a unit of armored brigade from the Beijing Military Area Command. The exercise was the first of its kind to be open to foreign military observers. The performance of Chinese troops won their loud applauses.
Though coming from different countries and speaking different tongues, the observers are all experts in the area of military exercises. They warmly clapped their hands when they reached the modern 1 000 km2 exercise base. It is a large modern combined tactical drill base with mountains, hills and plains designed to provide a base for military exercise with troops at division and corps level.
A senior officer of the U.S. Army told reporters that he was very pleased to be invited to watch the exercise and that a U.S. training center held large scale exercises for territorial forces every 7 months and that was the place where solders learn how to fight. He added that your training center in Zhurihe was great and it was an ideal place for exercises. A brigade commander from a Singaporean armored unit said that as one of the first foreign observers to come to the exercise base he felt very happy and was shocked by the first large exercise he saw in China. He continued that Singapore was very small in size and could only rent foreign base for exercises.
On the way to the base were neatly aligned military vehicles and equipment including helicopter gunship, tanks, armored vehicles, infantry vehicles, artilleries and nearly 5 000 soldiers wearing camouflage uniforms belonging to different arms of the army. The foreign observers showed great interests in the exercise.
The foreign visitors arrived at their destination at 10:00am to watch the exercise in which the "Blue Army" and "Red army" launched fierce "attacks" against each other using various kinds of vehicles and equipment in a large area. Foreign observers recorded the exercises using their cameras or video cameras.
After the six-hour practice, organized by China's Beijing Military Command, Steven Krstic from Britain said it was the first time for him to see so much Chinese military equipment as well as so many different kinds of Chinese armaments.
These war games were very successful, and it was good for China to invite foreigners to observe them, said Ahmet Celik from Turkey.
A brigade commander from a U.S. infantry unit commented that the exercise was organized in a scientific way, neither side knew the other's situations and it was like a real battle. A Tanzanian defense official praised the modernization of the Chinese troops and the effective coordination among different arms of the army.
According to the Foreign Affairs Office of the Ministry of National Defense, the invitation of foreign military observers to watch the exercise was designed to increase military exchanges and cooperation between China and the rest of the world, to adjust to new military changes in the world and to build up friendship and mutual confidence.
Some comments from those observers echoed the words of the office. A senior Russian officer said that the base was advanced, modern and practical and that the exercise could serve to increase the friendship and cooperation between the two countries. A Turkish military attache showed great interest in saying that they saw these highly qualified Chinese troops and the exercise would help strengthen military understanding and exchanges between China and Turkey. He finally added that the Chinese soldiers were welcome to Turkey to watch its military drills.
Pix of the Zhurihe Training Center mentioned in above acrticle:
FlyingFrog
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Of course Chinese source:
http://english.people.com.cn/200309/02/eng20030902_123564.shtml
Chinese RedArrow-9A can penetrate M1 serie's 1000mm Armour.
While best American anti-tank missile can dig only 900mm, RedArrow-9A can dig 1200mm.
PLA claimed RedArrow9A is the real killer of M1A1 series, but not planning to put it to export market yet.
Completely Stripped-off QBZ-95:
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/800/1021m1.jpg
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http://english.people.com.cn/200309/02/eng20030902_123564.shtml
Chinese RedArrow-9A can penetrate M1 serie's 1000mm Armour.
While best American anti-tank missile can dig only 900mm, RedArrow-9A can dig 1200mm.
PLA claimed RedArrow9A is the real killer of M1A1 series, but not planning to put it to export market yet.
Completely Stripped-off QBZ-95:
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/800/1021m1.jpg
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G.A.F.E.S.
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RedArrow-9A. Deadly weapon for tanks:rambo:
Nice. chinese tech is improving all the time.
Nice. chinese tech is improving all the time.
at least PLA won the war
in PLA history it never ownd advanced weapons but it always have millions of fearless men. there's a war they have to go, they go with an antique rifle 10 bulletes and a brave heart. there's no country on the earth will fill happy to see their people dying on the battle field. but to win the war to protect much more people in this country the toll is acceptable. population is the only advantage PLA has compared with westen army, they did as SUNZI said thousand years ago in his famous "THE ART OF WAR"--use your advantage to attack enemy's weakness.
in PLA history it never ownd advanced weapons but it always have millions of fearless men. there's a war they have to go, they go with an antique rifle 10 bulletes and a brave heart. there's no country on the earth will fill happy to see their people dying on the battle field. but to win the war to protect much more people in this country the toll is acceptable. population is the only advantage PLA has compared with westen army, they did as SUNZI said thousand years ago in his famous "THE ART OF WAR"--use your advantage to attack enemy's weakness.
ravensword227
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Yeah but you probably would see only a few M1A1s because most have been retrofitted to M1A1HA or M1A2 8) . I don't know much about this new Red Arrow 9A, but the HJ8 Red Arrow has only about 800mm penetration against rolled homogeneous armor. REMOVEDFlyingFrog said:
Mod edit: We do not discuss tactics in detail on this forum.
ravensword227
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SHERMAN said:
Each ATGM has a little chip on the inside of the seeker that can be accessed with the firing control unit. You can set how much armor the missile will penetrate before it explodes, and in the case of the Javelin, you can set direct line of fire or top down attack (shoots upward and comes down on the tank): http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2002/20021220.asp
YES VVVVVVVV
texasrebel211
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Well that Chinese missle looks like it might do some damage when it is used but you never know how good a weapon is until you use it in combat.
AsianAmerican
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