Can anyone ID this gun?

Lunatik said:
Do rifle silencers (or that silencer in particular) get really hot when the user full-auto bursts?
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Yes.
There are two major reasons why you avoid shooting auto with this type of weapon.
1. The heat will eventually destroy the weapon.
2. After the first shot you will losse your sightpicture in that telescopic sight.
Going full auto with that thing is a waste of bullets.

The only eventuality where I would, would be in a severe "after" situation.
Then your goal is to get as much led downrange as possible in the shortest possible amount of time.
If you find yourself in such a situation with that weapon ALOT of things have gone wrong..
 
Some people here are really full of prejudice against Russian equipment.

It's not 9x39mm parabellum like in the MP5 or something.

It's a special subsonic ammunition for this weapon. It's made to be accurate, subsonic and capable of penetrating armor at 400m.

400m is a good distance for a rifle. Not a sniper rifle, but a battlerifle. And a scope is necessary for accurate shooting at these distances.

The Russians arent dumb... This weapon works, and it's made for the special forces. Spetnatz and such...

You can laugh at the gun, but dont be ridiculous, this is made to kill and it's very good when it comes to killing people in silence.
 
Lunatik said:
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It's supposed to be a Russian silenced 9mm SF rifle. Anyone knows its name?
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ITS THE AKS-74U Krinkov
 
It is not the AKS 74U, it is the SR- 3M vickr

It is not the AKS 74U, it is the SR- 3M vickr, chambered in 9x39, it is a compact assault rifle with the report of a .22 when the the silencer is attached. The SP-6 armour-piercing ammunition is subsonic. This is the type of weapon ideal for guerrilla warfare with its concealability and AP fires. Shame it is only for state clients
 
looks like a modified ak47u the mag is to big for a 9mm but size and features i wouls say it is a model of ak
 
LeMask said:
Some people here are really full of prejudice against Russian equipment.

It's not 9x39mm parabellum like in the MP5 or something.

It's a special subsonic ammunition for this weapon. It's made to be accurate, subsonic and capable of penetrating armor at 400m.

400m is a good distance for a rifle. Not a sniper rifle, but a battlerifle. And a scope is necessary for accurate shooting at these distances.

The Russians arent dumb... This weapon works, and it's made for the special forces. Spetnatz and such...

You can laugh at the gun, but dont be ridiculous, this is made to kill and it's very good when it comes to killing people in silence.
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Off the pics in world Guns, I'm not sure yet which varient the original picture is...however the medium ranger/silenced/night sniper version is what's really interesting.

Many current and future combat situations do involve small units and night combat. If stealth is good for an aircraft at 30,000 ft and going mach 1...it's gotta be good for some grunts in the mountains of Afghanistan where the locals are fine with being martyrs and know the area.

Being able to silently hit and kill at 200-400 m at night without revealing your whereabouts? That is SPECIAL. It's really a bit baffling why the US has not yet got such a weapon. It's value for spec ops is pretty obvious. For even regular units in certain situations,it's got huge potential.
 
old woody said:
---snip--- It's really a bit baffling why the US has not yet got such a weapon. It's value for spec ops is pretty obvious. For even regular units in certain situations,it's got huge potential.
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I would say that you don't have one available for issue, because these sort of things are great in the minds of the comic book kids, where every soldier is a "Sneeky Pete" killing machine or 2000 yard sniper. But that just ain't the case.

I'd say that the truth of the matter is closer to the fact that really these types of weapons are so rarely put to their specialised use as to make them a waste of money.

If a particular specialised weapon was needed for an operation there are probably a dozen specialist companies that could supply what was needed. No one is going to hump one of these around the boonies in the vague hope that they may come across a situation where it could be an advantage.
 
senojekips, maybe that the Russians have a different military doctrine...

They have research programs for their military and a research program for their special ops units.

And dont forget that they can use these weapons outside conventional battlefield, like in assassinations operations in Urban areas against foreign agents... KGB/cold war style.

Russia is a big big country, they have a LOT of men who are too expensive to prepare in bulk... So they made cheap weapons like AK47 and later generations like the AK74...

But you cant base a strong military on a horde of poorly trained and poorly equiped men and tanks... So they also invested in the infrastructure to make highly specialized weapons...

They got skills... And a lot of skills, it's the finances the problem..

And they have these AN94 rifles with the weird two bullet burst mode sending two bullets in a same point... The weapon is complex, but that's not a problem as it's made to be used by highly trained units.
 
What you say is obvious regarding doctrine. What I answered was why we probably haven't botherd with doing something similar.

Western countries are not overly happy about showing the world that we make specialised weapons for assasinations and the like. I'm not saying that it's not done, just that we don't show the world that we make an art form of it.

LeMask said:
But you cant base a strong military on a horde of poorly trained and poorly equiped men and tanks... So they also invested in the infrastructure to make highly specialized weapons...
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I dunno about that, it worked well enough for the Russkies in 1944 - 45. There's no way known that I'd say they never had a strong military. As you say they are also developing sophisticated weapons systems, many of them not of the "quality" of those of the US, but they are effective and usually cheap and easy to use by non specialised troops. In short their R and D strategies work for them, and they appear to work very well.

They got skills... And a lot of skills, it's the finances the problem..
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Money is rarely a problem in time of war. Australia was still recovering from the depression and many people were still living hand to mouth in 1939, in a matter of days, tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds had been allocated or spent. Russia is a huge country with lots of natural resources, I think they might surprise us as to exactly how quickly their industry could go onto a wartime footing. To me it appears to be that way even in peacetime.

Yep, a few years ago they were an economic basket case and it seems that they had that way for years, but I think we would be very stupid to underestimate their capabilities for recovery if push came to shove.
 
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