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Ok, I am seeing that you've missed my point. Those articles that you have brought into this are only the words of Kerry posted on the internet. As far as I am concerned, you are bringing in biased information. I would like for you to bring in an article that is not just about Bush or Kerry.

Look at my articles about the economy (I changed one because I had made an error in citing my sources). One talks about the economic recession coming about in 1999. It does mention Bush, but the main nature of the article is economic numbers. The other is a GDP report and has NOTHING to do with politics. This is what I mean by non biased information. Politics has a way of smearing the truth. Give me a economic report from a credited and independent source to back up your claims. All I want is non biased proof.

This is why I want non biased stuff. You went and claimed Bush lost 6-7 million jobs during his current term when Kerry's own website says 2.8 million. Now USATODAY says that number is 2.2 million job loses. Bloomburg, an orginaztion devoted to business and investing, says 1.8 million.

Who do you believe is up to you. I WILL NOT take the word of Bush or Kerry because they are only going to give you info that supports their side of things. THat is where independent resources will tell who's stretching the truth.

I'll write more later. It's time for bed

SSG Doody

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Delta210 you beat me to the punch...damn you :evil: j/k it's all good
 
Basically I vote values, the supreme court is getting away with murder already, and if Kerry's when, the morals of this Nation are going to cease to exist. At least Bush seems to have a half-way decent set of vaules and lives by them. Plus I like him because he's a Christan. As far as the econmy goes, I live in a small town, and my Father is unemploied to due his job going overseas. He'd been with the company for almost 18 years, and was almost retiring age. Yeah I'm not happy with that, but I don't think Kerry would do any better, and I do think Bush is doing the best he can. Oh and for the one's that have been saying they like Kerry, I have just one little question. Where's he hidding his illegal Chinese Communitst Assult Rife? If he breaks the laws as a congressman while lying through his teeth about it. What's he going to do as president. Oh and as a person from North Carolina, Sen John Edwards is really full of it too. Especially on education issues. He wouldn't know how to fix the education system if it bit him in the A$$! I've been in public schools all my life and I'm currently studying to be a teacher. Since Bush passed the no child left behind act, which basicallys lets the states figure out how to better their public schools, North Carolina School Systems, have been terrible. All while Edwards has been in office. Don't listen to a thing he says about education.
 
The economy was already entering into recession when Clinton left office. Bush inherited that, and the 9/11 attacks pushed it further along. As to jobs going overseas, you can't blame the government, much, for the actions of corporations. For each job that leaves the country, there is that much less going to government in taxes. That doesn't help the government any. Besides, it was Clinton who signed NAFTA opened the borders for jobs to leave the country.
 
John Kerry only has "one position" on Iraq

This one comes stright from the wires.

Kerry defended himself against continuous Republican accusations that he has shifted his position on Iraq, saying he has had only "one position" on the issue.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/21/kerry.tues/index.html

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Kerry supporter or not, everyone knows that Kerry's claim of "one position" on Iraq is totally 100% not true.

I want someone to challlenge me on this one :2guns: please....
 
I will vote Bush for the for the following reasons.

I feel he did an outstanding job following 9/11.
I feel that he has the fotitude to defend the nations interests without being overly concerned about what some of our "allies" think.
I cannot and will not vote for a canidate who cannot decide which side of the issue he is on (Kerry).
 
Red_Army said:
"Only George W. Bush could celebrate over a record budget deficit of $422 billion, a loss of 1.6 million jobs and Medicare premiums that are up by a record 17 percent,"Kerry said. "W stands for wrong -- the wrong direction for America."
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/07/kerry.outsourcing.ap/index.html
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This is gonna hurt.

When were those Medicare premium increases voted on? Did Kerry vote for or against the increase? You do know that the president cannot raise the premiums by himself, right?

Next, there is wide disparity between the payroll survey and the household survey, regarding job creation. One includes self-employed people (among others), the other doesn't. Do you think it's fair to include self-employed in the number of jobs created?

Finally, the deficit is out of hand. This is a part of the administration I really dislike. He boosted fed funding in education, without any real proof that it pays off. He boosted spending on veteran's benefits and prescription drug benefits for senior citizens. At the same time, he's fighting two wars and buying additional oil to bring our national strategic oil reserve to a billion barrels. Now, I understand the need for these things, but is this the right time to do it?

So, my question would be what programs would you cut? Education? Vet benefits? Farm subsidies? Highway funds? Would you cut and run from Afghanistan and/or Iraq? (Medicare is not considered because it is not discretionary spending, per se)
Red_Army said:
"Here in Cincinnati, he promised to lead a strong coalition, but he failed to build the kind of broad, strong, real coalition, and he rushed to war without a plan to win the peace," Kerry said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/kerry.wed/index.html
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Why mock the contributions of 31 allies? UK, Poles, Aussies, Italians, Tongans, Albanians, etc. contrinuted what they could. Not all have the economy to sustain protracted deployment or the military to send thousands of troops. Yet, they provide assistance.

Also, it's instructive to note the strong NATO presence in the Afghan War. Had Bush truly been as disasterous as charged, I doubt the French and Germans would be assisting us in Afghanistan. Yet they are.

Iraq was a different matter and had less to do with Bush than economics.
Doody said:
This one comes stright from the wires.

Kerry defended himself against continuous Republican accusations that he has shifted his position on Iraq, saying he has had only "one position" on the issue.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/21/kerry.tues/index.html
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Link
(Interview about a year ago)

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that we should withdraw American troops from Iraq?

SEN. KERRY: No.

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe we should put more American troops in Iraq?

SEN. KERRY: No.

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?

SEN. KERRY: No. I think we should increase it.

MR. RUSSERT: Increase funding.

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: By how much?

SEN. KERRY: By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.

Nah, he hasn't moved much.
 
Bush can not take the blame for the Budget deficit, if anything it goes back to the days of FDR, when deificit spending first started and it never really ended. Only Congress can approbe the spending of public funds, Bush recommends a budget, Congress makes the final changes.

And guess why we could not get a coalition to support going into Iraq, to many of other members of the UN, most notably Russia and France, were exploiting the Oil for Food program, France was selling illegal arms to Iraq and Rissia still had lots of money owed to them buy Iraq from the days before Desert Storm. France had 9,000+ oil contracts with Iraq, Russia had over 7,000, China had 2,000, the UK had 8 (4 of which were being over ruled by the UN) and the US had one. Hmmm, who had more to lose from an over throw the the Iraqi government?

9/11 was the dagger through the heart of the economy, that and Republican tax cuts had the Bush administration backed against a wall already, if a Democrat was in office on 9/11 the taxes still would have been higher, the tax cuts would have been made after 9/11 to cushion the fall of the economy as much as possible, but not near as large a cut as the Bush administration made in all.
 
Stafford911 said:
Im really suprised some of you millitary guys will vote for bush since he cut hazad pay in half.
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Where do you get your news from? I will ask again for a source to back up a claim I was in Iraq and I will set the record straight. My combat pay went up in April 2003 and was back dated into 2002. Here are the details

Hazardous Duty pay went from $100 to $225 a month
Seperation pay for married soldeirs went from $100 to $250 a month
Hostile fire pay increased from $50 to 150 a month

Here are sources to back me up
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/blcombatzone.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/20/pf/saving/war_military_pay/

BTW, the Pentagon wanted to cut combat pay in SEP 03 but never did.

Can people at least research something before they say it? I am getting sick of dealing wih false claims. I know Kerry said Bush cut benefits but the real story is that the benefits remain the same.
 
Bush has made the largest increases in Military spending since Reagan, and in believe it was in April that their were a record number of promotions for NCO's.
 
Stafford911 said:
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood what they where talking about. My B.
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Sorry about coming at you so hard. I was still irritated about the last few posts. I try my best to keep my posts civil and I think I went a bit far on that one. I have nothing against you Stafford911 and I hope there is no hard feelings.

SSG Doody

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the web site http://mindprod.com/bush911.html is something else. The information in that site is poorly organized. PLus there are many quotes and citations that have no sources. as you may know, sources are very important to me. Many of the books that I have read have over 50 pages just on sources. To me, that represents creditability. Many of the sources that are listed are linked to anti bush and anti war sites. I got a ruse out of the nazi link. Anyways those sites will always list biased info. It's like believing everything that is said in the national enquirer. I find the lack of creditable sources to be a sign of fabrication.

Lastly I want to talk about out of context quotes because that site is full of them. It is always good to use quotes to back up your argument. Problems occur when that quote is used for a different meaning. These web sites can explain it better than I can

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Quoting_out_of_context
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_fall_quoting.htm

My point is you may have to read more than one line to understand the true meaning of a quotation.

I believe the term "spin" would come into play

Enough of that, I HATE english.

SSG Doody
 
Doody said:
Did anyone notice that Kerry never bothered to be at Washington DC for the speech by Allawi?
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Of course he wasn't, like the speech at the UN he was to busy getting ready to cut loose with his bashing. Kerry basically said what does Allawi know, he only lives in and runs Iraq. I on the other hand watch CNN, I am well informed with unbiased information. One of these days Kerry's gonna walk out with a mind control device on his head and Saddham and Howard Dean will be standing behind a curtain controlling him. "I like Saddham, I hate Bush ::Beep::Beep::" :lol:
 
I fail to see a difference between Kerry and Bush. Except for the fact that Kerry has no balls and rides the winds of public opinion. Bush may not have made the right choice, but atleast he can make a choice and stick with it, he has the guts to tell the rest of the world to shove off and do what needs to be done. Kerry would never do that, if he gets into the White House he would just take a look at that day's Gallop Poll and decide whether he would take postion A on said subject or position B. Let us not forget, Kerry, in one of the few times he actually voted in the Senate, voted to support Bush in Iraq.

Does anybody else see a pattern in what Kerry says. Bush did this, I would ahve done this, nevermind that fact that I supported Bush.
 
Uncle_Sam said:
Italian Guy said:
Bush. First, I would never vote for anyone supported by that jerk of Moore.
Secondly, I like George W.
GWB has done more for the military and for highlighting its role in America than 'veteran'-like Kerry has, who has in fact spitted on it.
Of course though I cant vote in the States.
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:shock: LOOK THE DOLLAR FALLING! I don't wanna see 500 billion dollar deficite in next few years................ I want sufficite ;)
Although good point there. Bush is the best President for the army, though bad for industry! Kerry is opposite..... know what I mean....
And for the link for my story: Whatch CNN at least 5 hours daily ;)
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Sorry to disallusion you but, Bush is a business man, Kerry is a Lawyer...

Lawyers are bad for business......

Democrats are bad for business, they over tax the business, business lays off, economy goe to shit.

Exactly what George Soros is hoping for.......More Millions in his pockets....

F.....the people.
 
Sorry about coming at you so hard. I was still irritated about the last few posts. I try my best to keep my posts civil and I think I went a bit far on that one. I have nothing against you Stafford911 and I hope there is no hard feelings.

SSG Doody

Naw man we Kool and the Gang
 
Democrats are better with handling the Economy, budget, ect.

Republicans are better for the Military.
 
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