2005; worst year ever? (long but worth it!)
Missileer
Active member
The devastation was horrible and the full extent still unknown. People are working around the clock, not only US but aid teams from many countries that have ready resources. Let's make and execute a plan, then judge how much good has been done and not by which Country brags about doing more than everyone else.
Remember that the resources of the USA are very strained by a full out war unless you missed that fact somewhere along the line. We were attacked and continue to be so pardon the President for trying to keep his Country safe. I think the details of aid are on his agenda but it's hard to drain the swamp when the alligators are gnawing on your butt.
Remember that the resources of the USA are very strained by a full out war unless you missed that fact somewhere along the line. We were attacked and continue to be so pardon the President for trying to keep his Country safe. I think the details of aid are on his agenda but it's hard to drain the swamp when the alligators are gnawing on your butt.
Hey if you really want to bash something you should not turn against US this time. Our gov the SWE gov is in deep shit at the moment and so is our Foreign minister becuase of her total lack of Empathy except from some crockodile tears. Hundreds of sweeds are stucked on the ilands and 1000 dead but their own words is not enough for this socialist gov. Foreign minister Laila Freivalds went to the Opera after she had heard about this big Sunami disaster togheter with her husband. (Queen ***** of the Century) :cen: Mods: sorry but I am not the only swe that is angry. I sincerly hope that SWEDEN once and for all have learned their lesson about how "GOOD our Socialist GOV really is when the fat lady sings", and people really needs help. 
I can se a light before me - Socialism - Leftwing - Green party - gone with the wind. There is a god somewhere. I have not seen such devastation since the old war movies from Germany where Allied forces droped bombs over Berlin. And our gov cant believe their eyes or their own citizens, so they send our foreign minister down there to check if it really is as bad as the people are telling them that it is. I am not ashamed to be a swedish citizen today, because I voted against this socialst gov as always. My prayers goes to the locals and all the poor tourist effected by this tsunami and to the brave people who are doing their best to help out with food, clean water, injuries, and comfort.
Cheers:
Doc.S
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I can se a light before me - Socialism - Leftwing - Green party - gone with the wind. There is a god somewhere. I have not seen such devastation since the old war movies from Germany where Allied forces droped bombs over Berlin. And our gov cant believe their eyes or their own citizens, so they send our foreign minister down there to check if it really is as bad as the people are telling them that it is. I am not ashamed to be a swedish citizen today, because I voted against this socialst gov as always. My prayers goes to the locals and all the poor tourist effected by this tsunami and to the brave people who are doing their best to help out with food, clean water, injuries, and comfort.
Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:
DTop
Active member
Chew, you might be interested in this. BTW, I think your original post was nothing more than knee jerk, Bush bashing drivel. It takes a little time to get relief efforts together.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142943,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142943,00.html
DTop
Active member
What's wrong chew? Can't you tolerate another point of view? The true source of that info was Kofi Anan not Fox News that reported it. But if you really NEED other sources of the same facts, trychewie_nz said:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/An...s/2004/12/31/1104344950573.html?oneclick=true
or
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/12/30/annan-tsunami041230
or
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041230/325/f9fl1.html
All these news sources must be wrong because they don't agree with you?
Give me a break will you?
Now why don't you show us some credible sources for that drivel you posted?
This isn't a bidding auction to see which country can out spend the next. It's relief for victims and that's what should be important and the U.S. will do the right thing for these people, I have no doubt.
Jason Bourne
Active member
actually, chewie, yes fox news is fair an balanced, but i guess you only listen to Al Jazeera.
i bet you also think that the US started the earthquake too huh, right, i bet we have some new weapon, and we made that all happen, right, hell why not just blame the everything on us, right chewie
i bet you also think that the US started the earthquake too huh, right, i bet we have some new weapon, and we made that all happen, right, hell why not just blame the everything on us, right chewie
Jason Bourne said:
no need for sarcarcasim mate. i watch both BBC and fox news. often they report the same stories but in very different ways. i have made my own choice that fox news is NOT fair and balanced. i prefer the BBC.
but just so you're happy;
http://www.aljazeera.com/home.asp
and Dtop, i said with my first post that is was and OPINION PIECE, and for one last time that i did not write it. there has been quite alot of anti american sentiment in the last four years, i was just showing it. i liked the article and thought we could get some debate going (which it did) i know myself (and others) let emotion get in the way of that debate a little too much (also see the thread on US torture in military discussions).
but i stick by my point that for a country so willing to pour massive amounts of cash and resources into a war, the reaction to this human tradgedy on a global scale has been VERY slow. but i'm sure they'll make up for it
Jason Bourne
Active member
it takes time, okay, we are sending people, and we are donating money, don't think that the second something happens that someone will be there to help immediately
Thank you, AlexKall.
Before I say anything, I should have you all know I haven't read into the tragedy much, just heard tidbits of information, so I won't focus on the numbers too much.
First, I think(in regards to the stuff about celebrities) that they all need to be paid a lot less and that money can go to the relief fund. If they don't like it, maybe they should get in their private jets with full luxuries and go visit the coastline.
Oh, not the coastline of America with our beautiful beaches and Five-star hotels, I mean the coastline of Indonesia, of India. Maybe seeing all that REALITY will make them a little more HUMAN.
The writer of that crap says the football players earned all that money... All they've earned is respect from the people watching them on TV. If they think they EARNED the millions they get, I think all they've earned is the need for a swift kick in the :cen: with spiked boots.
This :cen: with the NHL on strike because they don't get paid enough... I'm sick of it. At least some people, like former Devils player Scotty Gomez(an old friend of mine) love the game for the GAME, not for the money.
Now, I'm not exactly the wealthiest person in Alaska, nor am I the poorest by far, but if I had any money of my own, I'd send every penny I could to the relief fund for this. The fact is, as much as I disagree with some of the stuff on that little deal Chewie posted, America does need to send a bit more. Maybe if Jay Leno sold a few of his Porsches and sent the money to the relief fund, or if Dante Culpepper gave up some of his benefits to help rebuild Indonesia I'd be a little more pleased with the American media tools.
However, I'm not. As much as I'm glad Bush was re elected, I'm really starting to consider leaving the country. Because I can't stand the fact that people here are never pleased with how big their wallets are, or how fast and shiny their car is. We like to think we send out SO MUCH to these other countries, but the guy was right.
I'd like to close by saying that I do not mean any of this as Anti-American slander. I'm simply stating my concern that our "idols" care too much about their own legacies. Don't get me wrong. Some of them help considerably with charity and I think that's great, but some of them really need to open up their bank accounts a bit more and give parts of their fortunes to those who REALLY need it.
I guess that's all I have to say.
EDIT: And I apologize for all the obscenities, but sometimes talking like that helps me get my point across. Sorry.
Before I say anything, I should have you all know I haven't read into the tragedy much, just heard tidbits of information, so I won't focus on the numbers too much.
First, I think(in regards to the stuff about celebrities) that they all need to be paid a lot less and that money can go to the relief fund. If they don't like it, maybe they should get in their private jets with full luxuries and go visit the coastline.
Oh, not the coastline of America with our beautiful beaches and Five-star hotels, I mean the coastline of Indonesia, of India. Maybe seeing all that REALITY will make them a little more HUMAN.
The writer of that crap says the football players earned all that money... All they've earned is respect from the people watching them on TV. If they think they EARNED the millions they get, I think all they've earned is the need for a swift kick in the :cen: with spiked boots.
This :cen: with the NHL on strike because they don't get paid enough... I'm sick of it. At least some people, like former Devils player Scotty Gomez(an old friend of mine) love the game for the GAME, not for the money.
Now, I'm not exactly the wealthiest person in Alaska, nor am I the poorest by far, but if I had any money of my own, I'd send every penny I could to the relief fund for this. The fact is, as much as I disagree with some of the stuff on that little deal Chewie posted, America does need to send a bit more. Maybe if Jay Leno sold a few of his Porsches and sent the money to the relief fund, or if Dante Culpepper gave up some of his benefits to help rebuild Indonesia I'd be a little more pleased with the American media tools.
However, I'm not. As much as I'm glad Bush was re elected, I'm really starting to consider leaving the country. Because I can't stand the fact that people here are never pleased with how big their wallets are, or how fast and shiny their car is. We like to think we send out SO MUCH to these other countries, but the guy was right.
I'd like to close by saying that I do not mean any of this as Anti-American slander. I'm simply stating my concern that our "idols" care too much about their own legacies. Don't get me wrong. Some of them help considerably with charity and I think that's great, but some of them really need to open up their bank accounts a bit more and give parts of their fortunes to those who REALLY need it.
I guess that's all I have to say.
EDIT: And I apologize for all the obscenities, but sometimes talking like that helps me get my point across. Sorry.
c/Commander
Active member
U.S. aid is up to $350 million. Is that enough for one nation, or are we still being "stingy"?
I think that one of the real indicators should be that, during a time of war, the United States is still sending a Marine Expeditionary Unit (220 Sailors and Marines), the USS Abraham Lincoln, and a good chunk of the Pacific Fleet to aid in the relief effort. That's about 10k-15k personnel...DURING A WAR. Why are we being accused of "stinginess"?
I think that one of the real indicators should be that, during a time of war, the United States is still sending a Marine Expeditionary Unit (220 Sailors and Marines), the USS Abraham Lincoln, and a good chunk of the Pacific Fleet to aid in the relief effort. That's about 10k-15k personnel...DURING A WAR. Why are we being accused of "stinginess"?
the stingy comment was made after the "big" announcment of $35 mil. which to alot of people was stingy.
and i think the outcry about it and comparisons with other countries led the US to donate more cash to the cause. i could be wrong though
also i think it's a huge help that cash is being sent rather than food, as when food is supplied it has the unwanted side effect of triggering a cycle of poverty;
food donated -> farmers can't sell produce -> farmers out of business -> now they need handouts
and i think the outcry about it and comparisons with other countries led the US to donate more cash to the cause. i could be wrong though
also i think it's a huge help that cash is being sent rather than food, as when food is supplied it has the unwanted side effect of triggering a cycle of poverty;
food donated -> farmers can't sell produce -> farmers out of business -> now they need handouts
C/2nd Lt Robot
Active member
Giving aid to a country isn't an auction you know. How about looking at what the total amount of aid is being sent. You also have to remember that the US also has to take care of it's citizens, Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen.