phoenix80
Banned
Muslim ambassadors will present Sweden with a list of demands tomorrow: Muslim ambassadors: ‘Sweden needs to change its laws’.
Muslim Ambassadors: 'Sweden Needs to Change Its Laws'
Infern0
Banned
pfft, im sure this list of "demands" will be given all the careful consideration that they deserve.
in saying that, this particular statement rings true for me;
this isn't a silly request, as minority's DO need protection
it's was a really difficult arguement for me, that whole cartoon thing, for freedom of expression and press is something that democracy NEEDS to survive, but at the same time, the cartoon controvosy gave bigots all over a great chance to trumpet and put their own hateful messages out.
and especially when it comes to Islam and hate speech....NO side of the fight has clean hands
in saying that, this particular statement rings true for me;
this isn't a silly request, as minority's DO need protection
it's was a really difficult arguement for me, that whole cartoon thing, for freedom of expression and press is something that democracy NEEDS to survive, but at the same time, the cartoon controvosy gave bigots all over a great chance to trumpet and put their own hateful messages out.
and especially when it comes to Islam and hate speech....NO side of the fight has clean hands
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KJ
Active member
Egyptian ambassador said that "Sweden had much work left to do."
**** him and the high horse he rode in on.
If that is the case how about him answering what happened to the two "terror suspects" the Egyptian government managed to get deported against a promise of treatment according to the Geneva convention.
They were tortured, beaten to pulp and then tossed in jail to rot away..
"People in glasshouses.........."
And this puke would like to rewrite Swedish law?
No thank you.
//KJ.
**** him and the high horse he rode in on.
If that is the case how about him answering what happened to the two "terror suspects" the Egyptian government managed to get deported against a promise of treatment according to the Geneva convention.
They were tortured, beaten to pulp and then tossed in jail to rot away..
"People in glasshouses.........."
And this puke would like to rewrite Swedish law?
No thank you.
//KJ.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
They don't like it? Then they can go back to their damn sand box.
phoenix80
Banned
:m16: agreed! :2guns:
The clean hands quote is particularly ironic in today's circumstances. I would suggest that one side has remarkably clean hands . The other side promotes hatred, bigotry, death to all of other beliefs, the annihilation of Jews, and in some cases, christians. In many cases they are no longer minorities of any consequence, so their demands become louder.The old name of the game was Danegeld. I must stop at this point before my patience is exhausted.
Infern0
Banned
your point was exhausted when you tried to suggest that "good christian"tm hands are squeaky clean.
the holocaust, crusades, the slave trade, the inquisition, current attitudes towards gays, and seeing members of other faith as conversion fodder....clean hands indeed
im not excusing evil done or said in the name of islam, just as i'm not excusing evil done in the name of a christian god, by good christians
I thought we were discussing the current situation before us when you talk of lack of 'clean hands' in this thread. I was not understanding it as a history lesson.
Can we get back to the issue in question; ie. The Moslem countries countries aligned against Sweden on this subject. Has Sweden not 'clean hands' on this score?The western democracies are under severe attack from militant Islamic ideologies, and those who roll over to be tickled are doing the world grave injury. Under this assault, it is important to hold to our cultures and democratic principles.
Please don't attempt to reject serious opinion by hurling the same old cliches. It is unnecessary and avoids the real issue under discussion.
If you are looking to relevant history which demonstrates the precise point, I would say that my consideration amounts to this, as I said previously :-
Can we get back to the issue in question; ie. The Moslem countries countries aligned against Sweden on this subject. Has Sweden not 'clean hands' on this score?The western democracies are under severe attack from militant Islamic ideologies, and those who roll over to be tickled are doing the world grave injury. Under this assault, it is important to hold to our cultures and democratic principles.
Please don't attempt to reject serious opinion by hurling the same old cliches. It is unnecessary and avoids the real issue under discussion.
If you are looking to relevant history which demonstrates the precise point, I would say that my consideration amounts to this, as I said previously :-
IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: –
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
To puff and look important and to say: –
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
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KJ
Active member
How do you feel that this post has any bearing on what we were discussing?
Moslem (Egypt in particular) countries trying to rewrite Swedish law.
Do you feel they should be allowed to do so?
If so please indicate to me where Sweden were involved in ANY of the examples you posted above.
If you just felt this was a good time to preach that christians are not the best people in the world please do so in another thread.
I as a Swedish citizen feel that this topic (the one indicated in the title of this thread) is serious enough to deserve it´s OWN thread.
Christianity bashing could be done in it´s own thread if you feel that strongly about that subject.
//KJ.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Not only minorities. Women as well. Phoenix, like I said, we're dealing with some of the most closed minded, intolerant people in modern times and perhaps even in history (whereras most others have grown out of the whole intolerance thing, they're still neck deep in it). To accommodate their intolerance in our own societies to the point of making them official law is absolutely unacceptable.
Also when it comes to openness and tolerance, you can't get any more open and tolerant than Sweden. Whatever charges there are to Christianity regarding its history, Sweden shouldn't be paying for that. You might ask the Vatican to, but not Sweden.
Also when it comes to openness and tolerance, you can't get any more open and tolerant than Sweden. Whatever charges there are to Christianity regarding its history, Sweden shouldn't be paying for that. You might ask the Vatican to, but not Sweden.
03USMC
Active member
Agreed Muslims need to get a grip. Next if they can it will be a demand for Sharia law in all western countries because muslims answer to Allah not the law:sarc:
senojekips
Active member
Callahbers, perhaps?
This is one of our up-coming problems here, already. Our 2nd city Birmingham is just about losing its indigineous majority, and Leicester has already gone. I believe it is true that in the north of England Sharia law is already used for some matters. Folks, you are now looking at the destruction and disappearance of England, through political immigration and the EU.
I do not hold extreme views, I am a calm, experienced, lover of my fellow man old Englishman, and I have seen and recognised our Trojan horse for a long time. We have been completely sold down the river since 1997, and it is now a fast flow. Other countries should take note and tread warily; cling to your own cultures and democratic foundations.
phoenix80
Banned
Indeed, he does!
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Since they cannot win directly in battle, they use leftist do-gooders who sympathize anyone who feigns weakness in order to change our laws over to satisfy their intolerance.
It's funny because the people in inadvertently support this are some of the MOST open minded people in society who tolerate all, yet in the end they end up helping some of the most intolerant people settle in and take over. It's quite ironic really.
Sometimes the majority need to sit down and question whether or not it is THEY who are under threat and in danger of losing their freedom and rights.
It's funny because the people in inadvertently support this are some of the MOST open minded people in society who tolerate all, yet in the end they end up helping some of the most intolerant people settle in and take over. It's quite ironic really.
Sometimes the majority need to sit down and question whether or not it is THEY who are under threat and in danger of losing their freedom and rights.
bulldogg
Milforum's Bouncer
"If you dont stand for something, you'll fall for anything."