JF-17 Vs LCA Tejas
SwordFish_13
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Hi,
So it happned here ........... I don't think many here know about both planes ....... many People would have not even heard about them ....
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Both Planes haven't benn Produced as yet so it would be hard to compare them as yet .
For those who have heard the names for the First time LCA Tejas is a Indian Fighter Aircraft and JF-17 Thunder or FC-1 ( Fighter China -1 ) is a Chinese Fighter Aircraft.
JF-17 in my view is a Glorified Mig 21 ......
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So it happned here ........... I don't think many here know about both planes ....... many People would have not even heard about them ....
.Both Planes haven't benn Produced as yet so it would be hard to compare them as yet .
For those who have heard the names for the First time LCA Tejas is a Indian Fighter Aircraft and JF-17 Thunder or FC-1 ( Fighter China -1 ) is a Chinese Fighter Aircraft.
JF-17 in my view is a Glorified Mig 21 ......
Source:globalsecurity.org
FC-1 "Chao Qi" / JF-17 Thunder
The FC-1 "Chao Qi" is an all-weather, multipurpose light fighter aircraft. The aircraft is equipped with advanced avionics and armed with medium-range missiles. It is capable of carrying out both air-to-air and air-to-groud missions.
By 2004 this new multi-role fighter had been redesignated the Xialon (Fierce Dragon), and for Pakistan as JF-17 "Thunder". It might be designated J-9 when it becomes operational.
Super-7 (Chao Qi)
In 1986, China signed a $550 million agreement with Grumman to modernize 55 of its fleet of J-7 fighters under the so-called "Super-7" upgrade, but this agreement was canceled in early 1990, in the wake of the cooling of political relations with the West, as well as in response to a 40% increase in the cost of the project.
The "SUPER-7" was the first fighter jet completely designed and manufactured by China. Super-7 (Chao Qi) fighter is China's new generation fighter and the first of its kind of the nation's own intellectual property rights. The third-generation fighter plane, which can carry 3.8 tons of missiles, also has improved systems for attacking ground targets. Its advanced radar positioning and operating systems give the plane greater flexibility and better close-range manoeuvrability.
Development of the "Super 7" upgrade was slowed with the end of American technical assistance following the Tienanmen repression of 1989. Pakistan and China foreclosed the option of producing F-Super 7 Aircraft due to non-availability of Engines. It had been planned around MiG 27 Engine which the Russians refused to supply.
FC-1 (Fighter China 1)
As a substitute for the Super-7, China is developing the FC-1 (Fighter China 1) lightweight multipurpose fighter based on the design for the MiG-33, which was rejected by the Soviet Air Force. The FC-1 is being developed with a total investment in excess of $500 million, including support from the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC), mainly for export to replace the 120 F-7M/P fighters currently in service in the Pakistani Air Force, though it is possible that the Chinese Air Force will use this aircraft as well. The deal to manufacture 150 FC-1 (Fighter China) jets was struck when General Musharraf visited China just before the Kargil war in 1998.
Chengdu Aircraft Industry Company [CAIC], based in Sichuan Province, is China's second-largest fighter production base, and the enterprise is cooperating with Pakistan's Aviation Integrated Company and Russia's Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group [MASPG] in the development of the FC-1. Israel and several European countries are being considered as suppliers for the plane's avionics. The first flight was planned for 1997 with delivery to the Pakistani Air Force scheduled for 1999.
Initially it was anticipated that the FC-1 would be a high- performance, low-cost fighter plane to supplement the F-10 air superiority fighters developed for the Chinese Air Force. These planes will be fitted with a single Klimov Design Bureau RD-93 engines. They are a more powerful version of RD-33 engines, two of which are fitted in MIG-29.
It is widely reported that the FC-1 is a continuation of the "MiG-33 [R33]" program developed in the 1980s. The Russian company Mikoyan OKB Design Bureau, which designs all MIG series of aircraft, sold the design of MIG-33 to the China and Pakistan. This report is the source of considerable confusion, and indeed some rather fanciful speculation. The so-called MiG-33 design used in conjunction with the FC-1 program was apparently a the poorly attested "Product 33" lightweight single-engine project of the mid-1980s. A decade later, the MiG-33 nomenclature was briefly associated with the much larger twin-engine Mig-29M. This confused history has led to observations that the "FC-1 features air inlets on the lateral sides of the fuselage rather than the ventral inlets of the MiG-33. ... the most apparent modifications to the MiG-33 design is the repositioning of the ventral fins from the engine compartment..." These supposed modifications to the mid-90s MiG-33 design actually reflect the fact that the FC-1 is an entirely difference airplane with no design relationship to the MiG-33 [MiG-29M].
These improvement in performance have affected the program's costs, and if the final production order if fewer than 300 aircraft the unit price will rise from the original $10 million to $15 million.
The China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) is trying to persuade the Chinese Air Force to use the FC-1 so as to increase the production run and reduce the unit cost. But the Chinese military has resisted, being of the view that equiping the Air Force with two types of fighter planes with similar performance within the same time period would both consume limited financial resources and complicate logistical support for dissimilar aircraft.
The FC-1 was to make it's first flight in 1996, but the project was delayed when Pakistan sought to upgrade the performance characteristics of the FC-1 to respond to India's acquisition of Su-30MKIs. After several years of stagnation, the Pakistani Prime Minister's February 1998 trip to China resulted in an agreement to continue development of the fighter. Currently Pakistan is interested in acquiring at least 150 fighters, with the Chinese contemplating acquiring over 200.
The JF-17 Thunder project has been completed in a record period of four years. China National Aviation Corp officially signed the development contract for the FC-1 airplane in 1999. The project initially suffered a setback due to imposition of sanctions in 1999, which hindered acquisition of avionics and weaponry for the aircraft. The avionics had to be delinked from airframe development in 2001. China National Aviation Corp completes the detailed preliminary design in 2001 and in 2002 the company completed the detailed design structure and the system charts.
Formal production work began September 16, 2002, on the FC-1 aircraft in Chengdu, capital of southwest China's Sichuan Province.
The FC-1 made its formal debut at China's Fourth International Air Show scheduled November 4 to 7, 2002, in Zhuhai, the nearest mainland city to Macao. China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I ) made fresh progress in 2003, with 5 planes having passed evaluation and seven new planes completed their maiden flight. "Xiaolong/FC-1", or fierce dragon, produced by the corporation last year was applauded as one of the "Ten Major National Scientific Events in 2003"
In July 2003 it was reported that the "SUPER-7" fighter jet was ready to take its maiden flight, although a detailed timetable was not released. China's Super-7 Fighter completed its taxiing test on July 03, 2003 at a test ground of Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAC). As one of the eight major ground tests that must be completed before test flight, the taxiing test is aimed at trying the correctness of the design of electricity supply system, as well as signal connections between the electricity supply system and other external systems so as to provide important data to guarantee a successful first fly. Leiqiang, deputy director of the Chengdu Flight Group's trial flight department under the Chinese Air Force, said on Tuesday he will carry out the maiden flight task. On the day of the first flight, China Central Television (CCTV) will dispatch a special report group to broadcast the whole flight live. Leiqiang, also a "SUPER-7" pilot, and Yangwei, the jet's designer, who is also regarded as the father of "SUPER-7," will be featured on the CCTV program "Face to Face."
On 25 August 2003 the "owlet dragon" FC-1 airplane carried on the initial flight. It flews 17 minutes before it returned to the airport.
The serial production of the aircraft will begin by January 2006. The aircraft will replace the Mirage, F-16 and F-7 aircraft with the latest technology and it will meet professional requirements of the Pakistan Air Force.
The JF-17 Thunder, whose performance is matched only by F-16s in the Pakistan Air Force's current inventory, would be replacing the aging fleet of Mirage, F-7s and A-5s. The aircraft is being considered as a match for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which is expected to form the backbone of the Indian Air Force in future. There are, however, some features like advanced and futuristic avionics and cost effectiveness that give the JF-17 an edge over the LCA.
The JF-17 is a light weight, all weather, multi-role aircraft having a capability to fly at a speed of Mach 1.6 and a high thrust to weight ratio. The aircraft has the ability to engage targets at all speeds and altitudes within the conventional flying envelope. In the surface attack and interdiction role, the aircraft can strike at long distances. The combat jet has been installed with an advanced flight control system, which is a mix of conventional and fly-by-wire controls, making it highly agile and manoeuvrable.
The aircraft would be capable of carrying short-range, beyond visual range, anti-ship as well as anti-radiation missiles. Additionally, the carriage of high and low drag bombs, laser guided bombs, run away penetration bombs and cluster bombs would be catered for. However, the air chief parried a question regarding the aircraft's ability to carry nukes.
This machines has prominent maneuver cabability, greater range, airborne period and combat radius, fine short distance take off and landing characteristic and stronger weapon carrying capacity. The prominent center low altitude and the high subsonic maneuver operational capacity, has a better interception and to the place attack capability, all-weather, single shot, single-seat. This machine uses nearby the medium aspect ratio the strip wing normal arrangement, entire machine has 7 outside viewpoints, may be hanging many kinds of empty, the open area weapon, and may outside hang 3 auxiliary oil tanks, outside hangs the ability 3,600 kilograms.
This machine has used the advanced air operated contour and the big thrust force, the low consumption turbofan engine, as well as the advanced digital fax flies controls the system, the integrated aviation electron and the armament system, has in the launch to be apart from the ball, to realize the multi- goals beyond line of sight attack ability, has many kinds of advanced precise function and so on navigation, battlefield situation sensation, target detection and recognition, operational attack as well as electronic warfare.
Because has used the contemporary advanced design and the manufacture technology, the owlet dragon/FC-1 airplane had achieved the third generation fighter aircraft synthesis fighting efficiency, can contend with with now the advanced fighter aircraft, simultaneously has the low cost the characteristic, completely adapts the modern warfare request and the military airplane market demand.
The Pak Tribune reported on April 29, 2004 that the first eight of these aircraft would be delivered to the PLAAF in 2006.
J-9
The J-9 designation was apparently initially applied to an unbuilt single engined development of the J-8 aircraft that was cancelled in development around 1979. The F-9 FANTAN designation was at one time applied to the Q-5 FANTAN attack aircraft. Should the FC-1 enter PLAAF service, it might carry the J-9 designation.
Specifications
Contractors Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG)
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC)
Projected [1999] Actual [2004]
LENGTH 13.95 meters 14.9679 m
HEIGHT 5.02 meters 4.77485 m
WING SPAN 9.5 meters 9.4646 m
MAX T-O WEIGHT 12,500 kilograms 12,474 kg
Empty weight 6,411 kg
Normal takeoff weight 9,072 kg
Maximum landing weight 7,802 kg
Fuel weight 2,268 kg
Weapons load 3,629 kg
Thrust/weight ratio >=0.9
MAX LEVEL SPEED 1031 knots Mach 1.6
MAX RANGE / Ferry range 864 nautical miles 2,037 km
SERVICE CEILING 16,000 meters 15,240 m
T-O RUN 500 meters 609 m
LANDING RUN 700 meters 823 m
Armament
* 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon
* 6 - PL-7 AAM
* 6 - PL-10 AAMs
* ASMs, bombs
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SwordFish_13
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The FC-1 was originall called the Super F-7, ie J-7, the Chinese version of the MiG-21 ........... The Chinese never had access to advance Russian airframes. The original FC-1 was based upon the MiG-21 airframe ........ as conterarly reported in some Articles as Mig 33 Airframe ............ Later PLA/PLAN/PLAAF Lost interest in the Fighter and refused to buy it ..........so it is Currently being Developed for Pakistan and for Export to other countries.
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The FC-1 was originall called the Super F-7, ie J-7, the Chinese version of the MiG-21 ........... The Chinese never had access to advance Russian airframes. The original FC-1 was based upon the MiG-21 airframe ........ as conterarly reported in some Articles as Mig 33 Airframe ............ Later PLA/PLAN/PLAAF Lost interest in the Fighter and refused to buy it ..........so it is Currently being Developed for Pakistan and for Export to other countries.
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My money is on the LCA. It just seems like a less complicated, versatile machine.
I've long been wondering why air forces spend so much money on a single aircraft with horrible fuel consumption, high operating costs and armed to the point where they could barely take off - why not design a fighter that is much lighter, lighter armed, faster and cheaper to operate and manufacture? Seems India got the idea! Good job guys!
I think the LCA will win due to numerical superiority - it is also faster and less complicated to operate.
I've long been wondering why air forces spend so much money on a single aircraft with horrible fuel consumption, high operating costs and armed to the point where they could barely take off - why not design a fighter that is much lighter, lighter armed, faster and cheaper to operate and manufacture? Seems India got the idea! Good job guys!
I think the LCA will win due to numerical superiority - it is also faster and less complicated to operate.
Let me clear a few things!
The JF-17 Thunder is the output of the "Super-7 project", which is a joint venture of Pakistan and China and not just China.
It started in 1992 and served as the first major opportunity to stimulate the aviation industry in Pakistan.
The project is concieved with Chineese airframe and Western avionics and weapons package. Those who think that it is a modified MIG 21 are living in fools paradise.
Lots of technical aspects of F-16 Jet has been worked upon and implemented on JF-17's avionics and not to forget that its design is very flexible for future upgrades.
The first successful test flight involving various kinds of stunts, performance, firing capabilities and working of avionics was conducted on 2 september 2003, which involved experts from both Pakistan and China. This was actually a 2nd level prototype Jet.
Thus the project concluded in to a successful venture for both the countries in expanding the capabilities of their avonics industries despite of the sanctions imposed by WEST which have been removed by now due to Pakistan's role in FAT (Fight Against Terror).
A fourth prototype is under trails and lots of improvements have been made to it.
In short words the JF-17 Thunder is a Light Weight Multi-role and all weather capable fighter.
Note: The airframe of this aircraft is closely related to MIG 29 and not MIG 21, which is an obsolete design. And even the engine of this aircraft is similar in every aspect to that of MIG 29.
The JF-17 Thunder variant that will be inducted in PAF will carry European Avionics Suite with multi-mode Pulse Doppler Radar, a mission computer, INS and multi-functional display system. The weapons package include SRAAM and MRAAM.
The chineese variant is called FC-1 and they will induct 200 of these jets with some enhancements. Those who say that this Jet has been scrapped by China should provide a fair source to back their claims.
PAF will induct 150 of these aircraft and will replace its old fleet of Mirage III's and F7-PG's. The induction process will commense from 2006.
A single unit costs about $15 million. (Quiet cheap compared to others)
Planned ARMAMENT:
- Internal 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon, one centreline attachment; two attachments under each wing and one at each wingtip.
- SRAAM
- Beyond Visual Range (BVR)
- Anti-ship as well as anti-radiation missiles.
- Additionally, the carriage of different types of bombs such as LGBs would be catered for.
The JF-17 Thunder is the output of the "Super-7 project", which is a joint venture of Pakistan and China and not just China.
It started in 1992 and served as the first major opportunity to stimulate the aviation industry in Pakistan.
The project is concieved with Chineese airframe and Western avionics and weapons package. Those who think that it is a modified MIG 21 are living in fools paradise.
Lots of technical aspects of F-16 Jet has been worked upon and implemented on JF-17's avionics and not to forget that its design is very flexible for future upgrades.
The first successful test flight involving various kinds of stunts, performance, firing capabilities and working of avionics was conducted on 2 september 2003, which involved experts from both Pakistan and China. This was actually a 2nd level prototype Jet.
Thus the project concluded in to a successful venture for both the countries in expanding the capabilities of their avonics industries despite of the sanctions imposed by WEST which have been removed by now due to Pakistan's role in FAT (Fight Against Terror).
A fourth prototype is under trails and lots of improvements have been made to it.
In short words the JF-17 Thunder is a Light Weight Multi-role and all weather capable fighter.
Note: The airframe of this aircraft is closely related to MIG 29 and not MIG 21, which is an obsolete design. And even the engine of this aircraft is similar in every aspect to that of MIG 29.
The JF-17 Thunder variant that will be inducted in PAF will carry European Avionics Suite with multi-mode Pulse Doppler Radar, a mission computer, INS and multi-functional display system. The weapons package include SRAAM and MRAAM.
The chineese variant is called FC-1 and they will induct 200 of these jets with some enhancements. Those who say that this Jet has been scrapped by China should provide a fair source to back their claims.
PAF will induct 150 of these aircraft and will replace its old fleet of Mirage III's and F7-PG's. The induction process will commense from 2006.
A single unit costs about $15 million. (Quiet cheap compared to others)
Planned ARMAMENT:
- Internal 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon, one centreline attachment; two attachments under each wing and one at each wingtip.
- SRAAM
- Beyond Visual Range (BVR)
- Anti-ship as well as anti-radiation missiles.
- Additionally, the carriage of different types of bombs such as LGBs would be catered for.
no offence meant by referring to the jf 7 as a mig 21 lookalike. but i really doubt that the airframe is based on that of the mig 29...i mean...it looks nothing like the mig does it :?: and thats not even considering major structural differences between the two aircraft...
SwordFish_13
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Hi,
Let me Further Clear a Few things
It started in 1980 when China agreed with Grumman to upgrade a number of its F-7s in what was called the Super-7 Project. But in the aftermath of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and in light of increasing costs, the program was cancelled.
After this, China began to develop this aircraft on its own........ The Pakistan got involved Much later looking for a modern aircraft to add to its aging fleet...........It's not Only Pakistan and China But Russians are also involved in this Project ......... The Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group is also involved in FC-1 Project.
Mig-21 Design is a Excelent Design and it's airframe is a damned good sturdy airframe that can take a hell of alot of abuse.
The Fuselodge of JF-17 is a dead giveaway, essentially a simple housing for the engine....... Which are the Features of Mig 21 not Mig 29
Project 33 or Mig 33... a rejected Russian Design that didn't see light beyound the Planning Tabels............ Some people Do Mix these two projects.
The FC-1/Super-7 was originally defined as a low-cost third-generation air-superiority fighter aircraft to replace the MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed and Northrop F-5 series...........The original FC-1 was based upon the MiG-21 airframe.......
It was later re-branded as a lightweight, high-performance, multirole attack fighter aircraft featuring fly-by-wire (FBW) flight-control, beyond-vision-range (BVR) combat capability and much improved aerodynamic performance.......... These has also steered the unit price of the aircraft up by 50% ...........
But at later stages you can't change the Airframe........ there is no way for the FC-1 to change airframes and still keep to the original schedule..............Changing airframes would mean a brand new aircraft starting from scratch which didn't happenned.
I know Some Pakistanis get a Little Hyper when they Hear JF-17 is on Mig21 Airframe but there is nothig wrong in that Airframe :roll: .
Apart from a few Pakistani News Agencies that reported that China is interested in 150 of them ......... there are no Credatable reports that China will buy FC-1............ PLAAF has so far resisted the FC-1 due to the availability of the more capable J-10......... FC-1 is Mostly being developed By China for Export Purpose.
Mig 29 is a Twin Seater and Twin Engine Plane ..........:roll: from which angle JF-17 looks like Mig 29
This is Mig 29
Mig 29 Picture Click here
This is Mig 21 Design
This is JF-17
Now compare Yourself ........... Even a Layman can see this let alone Aeronautics Students i am surrounded with ...... .
There is nothign Wrong with Mig 21 Airframe ......... I don't know why people get So Exicted when Someone says it's on Mig21 Airframe ......... It's a Simple Design no Complications involved good for Developing Countries needs .
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Let me Further Clear a Few things
It started in 1980 when China agreed with Grumman to upgrade a number of its F-7s in what was called the Super-7 Project. But in the aftermath of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and in light of increasing costs, the program was cancelled.
After this, China began to develop this aircraft on its own........ The Pakistan got involved Much later looking for a modern aircraft to add to its aging fleet...........It's not Only Pakistan and China But Russians are also involved in this Project ......... The Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group is also involved in FC-1 Project.
Mig-21 Design is a Excelent Design and it's airframe is a damned good sturdy airframe that can take a hell of alot of abuse.
The Fuselodge of JF-17 is a dead giveaway, essentially a simple housing for the engine....... Which are the Features of Mig 21 not Mig 29
Project 33 or Mig 33... a rejected Russian Design that didn't see light beyound the Planning Tabels............ Some people Do Mix these two projects.
The FC-1/Super-7 was originally defined as a low-cost third-generation air-superiority fighter aircraft to replace the MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed and Northrop F-5 series...........The original FC-1 was based upon the MiG-21 airframe.......
It was later re-branded as a lightweight, high-performance, multirole attack fighter aircraft featuring fly-by-wire (FBW) flight-control, beyond-vision-range (BVR) combat capability and much improved aerodynamic performance.......... These has also steered the unit price of the aircraft up by 50% ...........
But at later stages you can't change the Airframe........ there is no way for the FC-1 to change airframes and still keep to the original schedule..............Changing airframes would mean a brand new aircraft starting from scratch which didn't happenned.
I know Some Pakistanis get a Little Hyper when they Hear JF-17 is on Mig21 Airframe but there is nothig wrong in that Airframe :roll: .
Apart from a few Pakistani News Agencies that reported that China is interested in 150 of them ......... there are no Credatable reports that China will buy FC-1............ PLAAF has so far resisted the FC-1 due to the availability of the more capable J-10......... FC-1 is Mostly being developed By China for Export Purpose.
Mig 29 is a Twin Seater and Twin Engine Plane ..........:roll: from which angle JF-17 looks like Mig 29
This is Mig 29
Mig 29 Picture Click here
This is Mig 21 Design
This is JF-17
Now compare Yourself ........... Even a Layman can see this let alone Aeronautics Students i am surrounded with ......
.There is nothign Wrong with Mig 21 Airframe ......... I don't know why people get So Exicted when Someone says it's on Mig21 Airframe ......... It's a Simple Design no Complications involved good for Developing Countries needs .
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Well SwordFish_13! I can safely say that your professionalism is commendable! 
I am not in the aero-nautics industry so I rely more on Military related media sources for PAF.
The engine of JF-17 Thunder is similar in every aspect to that of MIG 29 and it is being acquired from Russia by China. But the Airframe seems to be based on MIG 21 design with F-16A type modifications.
But it does not matters as the capabilities of this aircraft is more important for us and its design is flexible enough for future upgrades.
And the purchase price of this aircraft even after major enhancements has reached $15 million a unit. The other aircrafts of similar capabilties cost over $20 million a unit. This looks good for export purposes and PAF has plans to do that after it gets the license to manufacture this Jet Fighter in Pakistan.
Apart from this I like that MIG-29 and I would definately like to hijack one! :lol:
I am not in the aero-nautics industry so I rely more on Military related media sources for PAF.
The engine of JF-17 Thunder is similar in every aspect to that of MIG 29 and it is being acquired from Russia by China. But the Airframe seems to be based on MIG 21 design with F-16A type modifications.
But it does not matters as the capabilities of this aircraft is more important for us and its design is flexible enough for future upgrades.
And the purchase price of this aircraft even after major enhancements has reached $15 million a unit. The other aircrafts of similar capabilties cost over $20 million a unit. This looks good for export purposes and PAF has plans to do that after it gets the license to manufacture this Jet Fighter in Pakistan.
Apart from this I like that MIG-29 and I would definately like to hijack one! :lol:
SwordFish_13
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TBA_PAKI said:
The Current Prototypes of FC-1 use RD-93 ............ and yes this is the same Engine used by Mig-29.......... At this Point and because it's a comparision between the two planes ....... i would Like to Mention a a small thing the Engine that LCA Tejas Currently Uses GE 404 is also used by F/A-18E/F Super Hornet , F-117A , JAS 39 and a few others
.Mig 29 is a Excelent Aircraft .......... Indian Navy's Mig29K and Mig29KUB will also be running on the Same RD-93 engine ..................... Indian Navy will acquire some 20 -22 Of them For the Latest Aircraft Carrier INS Vikramaditya ..........
Recently there was Some News in Jane Defence Weekly and Canava that Russian were Putting pressure on China not export FC-1 with their Engine Onboard.........But Later Kanava reported that Russia has Aggred to Allow them to be given to Pakistan.... All this is freaking unbelievable, we need to varify the news from multiple sources before making it a "news" item.....
There might be Problem with Pakistan Exporting them Further to other countries , with Russian Engines on them.
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The LCA is yet to hit production and still is in the testing phase.
The JF-17s would soon be rolling out, in an year.
Also the comparison in design can be done to an old Russian project that never materialized, Mig-35d.
The JF-17 has demonstrated itself doing all kinds of things like loops during its test flights.
Of course much of this is just producing it in small batches and fullscale serial production will only commence when in 2007. But they're already constructing the place where it would be constructed lol.
The JF-17s would soon be rolling out, in an year.
Also the comparison in design can be done to an old Russian project that never materialized, Mig-35d.
The JF-17 has demonstrated itself doing all kinds of things like loops during its test flights.
Of course much of this is just producing it in small batches and fullscale serial production will only commence when in 2007. But they're already constructing the place where it would be constructed
lol.
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Some Pictures of LCA Tejas .........
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first of all you ppl must understand that lca will not be serving IAF as a main line aircraft but it will only serve as in numbers and give india an edge to build other projects like mca ,pak-fa(with russia)which will be at par or even above f-22.these will be the fighters which will serve as the main line fighters to india in the coming years .
Whereas jf-17 will serve as a main line fighter aircraft for pakistan in the coming years.So having a few jf-17 doesnt give india any threats as india’s only concern is just t6o be able to develop better aircrafts and not just lca.
Whereas india has many projects which have been approved by the government such as MCA ,pak fa and many more…pakistan have better plans than jf-17 or j-10,
for which they will have to rely on China,who on the contrary side are not even using jf-17 as their main fighter but su-mkks and other russian fighters.
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the armed Lca view
Whereas jf-17 will serve as a main line fighter aircraft for pakistan in the coming years.So having a few jf-17 doesnt give india any threats as india’s only concern is just t6o be able to develop better aircrafts and not just lca.
Whereas india has many projects which have been approved by the government such as MCA ,pak fa and many more…pakistan have better plans than jf-17 or j-10,
for which they will have to rely on China,who on the contrary side are not even using jf-17 as their main fighter but su-mkks and other russian fighters.
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the armed Lca view
first of all you ppl must understand that lca will not be serving IAF as a main line aircraft but it will only serve as in numbers and give india an edge to build other projects like mca ,pak-fa(with russia)which will be at par or even above f-22.these will be the fighters which will serve as the main line fighters to india in the coming years .
Whereas jf-17 will serve as a main line fighter aircraft for pakistan in the coming years.So having a few jf-17 doesnt give india any threats as india’s only concern is just t6o be able to develop better aircrafts and not just lca.
Whereas india has many projects which have been approved by the government such as MCA ,pak fa and many more…pakistan have better plans than jf-17 or j-10,
for which they will have to rely on China,who on the contrary side are not even using jf-17 as their main fighter but su-mkks and other russian fighters.
Whereas jf-17 will serve as a main line fighter aircraft for pakistan in the coming years.So having a few jf-17 doesnt give india any threats as india’s only concern is just t6o be able to develop better aircrafts and not just lca.
Whereas india has many projects which have been approved by the government such as MCA ,pak fa and many more…pakistan have better plans than jf-17 or j-10,
for which they will have to rely on China,who on the contrary side are not even using jf-17 as their main fighter but su-mkks and other russian fighters.
updated configuratins of LCA TEJAS :
Crew: One
Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,000 kg (11,200 lb)
Loaded weight: 12,500 kg (29,700 lb)
Max takeoff weight: >15,500 kg (>32,558 lb)
Powerplant: 1× General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 or -IN-20 or kaveri(under development and trials) turbofan, 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf) / 85 kN In case of IN-20 (>19,000 lbf)/around 100-125 KN as per revised iaf requirements
Internal fuel capacity: 3000 liters
External fuel capacity: 5×800 liter tanks or 3×1,200 liter tanks, totaling 4,000/3,600 liters
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 / supersonic at all altitudes
Range: 2,000 km/2.30 hr (without refuling) (1,242 mi)
Service ceiling 15,950+ m (50,000 ft(Engine re-igniter safely capable))
Wing loading: 221.4 kg/m² (45.35 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.43
Armament
1 × 23 mm GSh-23 cannon internally mounted twin-barrel cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
Eight external stations: three hardpoints under each wing, one fuselage centreline hardpoint, and one station beneath the port-side intake trunk for a pod (FLIR, IRST, laser designator, or reconnaissance).
Maximum external payload: >4000 kg.
Air-to-air missiles include Astra BVRAAM, Vympel R-77 (NATO reporting name: AA-12 Adder), and Vympel R-73 (NATO reporting name: AA-11 Archer).
Air-to-surface munitions include anti-ship missiles, laser-guided bombs, unguided bombs, cluster bombs, and unguided air-to-surface rockets.
Crew: One
Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,000 kg (11,200 lb)
Loaded weight: 12,500 kg (29,700 lb)
Max takeoff weight: >15,500 kg (>32,558 lb)
Powerplant: 1× General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 or -IN-20 or kaveri(under development and trials) turbofan, 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf) / 85 kN In case of IN-20 (>19,000 lbf)/around 100-125 KN as per revised iaf requirements
Internal fuel capacity: 3000 liters
External fuel capacity: 5×800 liter tanks or 3×1,200 liter tanks, totaling 4,000/3,600 liters
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 / supersonic at all altitudes
Range: 2,000 km/2.30 hr (without refuling) (1,242 mi)
Service ceiling 15,950+ m (50,000 ft(Engine re-igniter safely capable))
Wing loading: 221.4 kg/m² (45.35 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.43
Armament
1 × 23 mm GSh-23 cannon internally mounted twin-barrel cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
Eight external stations: three hardpoints under each wing, one fuselage centreline hardpoint, and one station beneath the port-side intake trunk for a pod (FLIR, IRST, laser designator, or reconnaissance).
Maximum external payload: >4000 kg.
Air-to-air missiles include Astra BVRAAM, Vympel R-77 (NATO reporting name: AA-12 Adder), and Vympel R-73 (NATO reporting name: AA-11 Archer).
Air-to-surface munitions include anti-ship missiles, laser-guided bombs, unguided bombs, cluster bombs, and unguided air-to-surface rockets.
arslanpower
New Member
read this
JF-17 Thunder aircraft is an advanced multi-role light combat aircraft jointly developed by Chengdu and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex under a strategic collaboration project. The aircraft is designed to be cost-effective and can meet the tactical and strategic needs of the Pakistan Air Force, and various other air forces. The first prototype made its first test flight in 2003. The letters "J & F" included as title of the aircraft denoting "Joint Fighter". Pakistan renamed Super-7 as JF-17 (Joint Fighter) Thunder in 2003.
The JF-17 Thunder, whose performance is matched only by F-16s in the Pakistan Air Force's current inventory, would be replacing the aging fleet of [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Mirage[/COLOR][/COLOR], F-7s and A-5s. The aircraft is being considered as a match for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which is expected to form the backbone of the Indian Air Force in future. There are, however, some features like advanced and futuristic avionics and cost effectiveness that give the JF-17 an edge over the LCA.
source ... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/jf-17.htm:tank:
JF-17 Thunder aircraft is an advanced multi-role light combat aircraft jointly developed by Chengdu and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex under a strategic collaboration project. The aircraft is designed to be cost-effective and can meet the tactical and strategic needs of the Pakistan Air Force, and various other air forces. The first prototype made its first test flight in 2003. The letters "J & F" included as title of the aircraft denoting "Joint Fighter". Pakistan renamed Super-7 as JF-17 (Joint Fighter) Thunder in 2003.
The JF-17 Thunder, whose performance is matched only by F-16s in the Pakistan Air Force's current inventory, would be replacing the aging fleet of [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Mirage[/COLOR][/COLOR], F-7s and A-5s. The aircraft is being considered as a match for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which is expected to form the backbone of the Indian Air Force in future. There are, however, some features like advanced and futuristic avionics and cost effectiveness that give the JF-17 an edge over the LCA.
source ... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/jf-17.htm:tank:
hiddenshadows
New Member
That's quite a good comparison SwordFish_13.
TBA_PAKI - I would like to mention that $ 15million a piece of crap won't help your country help secure the future.
Every 4'th generation fighter aircraft including upgraded F-16 today cost upwards of $100 million atleast, so if you think by putting 5 of JF-17 in comparison to one Su-30 Mki or LCA , you would have a number advantage, then you are totally wrong.
Today's 4'th generation figher aircrafts are multirole and can engage simultaneous targerts, not to mention are equipped with BVRAAM ( Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missiles ).
So just ordering 200 of these junks and putting 200 of your air force men lives in danger, go better beg Americans to give you FA18 hornets or F-16's
TBA_PAKI - I would like to mention that $ 15million a piece of crap won't help your country help secure the future.
Every 4'th generation fighter aircraft including upgraded F-16 today cost upwards of $100 million atleast, so if you think by putting 5 of JF-17 in comparison to one Su-30 Mki or LCA , you would have a number advantage, then you are totally wrong.
Today's 4'th generation figher aircrafts are multirole and can engage simultaneous targerts, not to mention are equipped with BVRAAM ( Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missiles ).
So just ordering 200 of these junks and putting 200 of your air force men lives in danger, go better beg Americans to give you FA18 hornets or F-16's