ScarabVenom
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I wanted to answer a very important question being asked "Why do Egyptians hate Israelis?" I was asked this same question by an 12 years old Israeli child named Matan.
A 12 years old speaking of those issues is unusual so, I kinda thought it would be a good idea to let people know the Egyptian perspective.
First, the past,
The very early beginning of Israel in 1948. And the War of Independence, why did Egypt involve? Would it be an act of treason if Egypt didn't involve?
First, I'd like to point out that, Egyptians are not Arabs. If you look far in the history you will know that Egypt is not an Arabic country it's basically Egyptian. They're Pharaonic Africans or as called by some; just Egyptians. They had their own language, society and religion but it all changed when the Arabs attacked in the 7th century and they forced Egyptians to convert their religion, pay a penalty or be killed. I know Egypt speaks Arabic but so? Ghana speaks English as a result of British occupation, are they English? No. Senegal speaks French as a result of French occupation, are they French? No. Egypt speaks Arabic as a result of Arabic conquest, they become Arabs? So, if Egypt is not an Arabic country originally so, it can't be treason against the Arab cause because they're not Arabs. That's the second question about the treason.
Now, about 1948. Well, we have to know that by the time, Egypt was under British occupation. And it was ruled basically by a British puppet, King Farouk who is the last of the Mohamed Ali dynasty which is not Egyptian; it's Albanian. In 1936 and as a result of various revolutions and uprisings such as the 1881 revolution by Ahmed Orabi and the 1919 revolution by Sa'ad Zaghloul and various others, the British and the Egyptians signed a treaty in 1936 which basically states that the British leaves the country in 20 years. BUT, the treaty stated that the Egyptian army must be well-formed and can protect Egypt. The King, who loved the British so much as he said once in TV "The relationship between Egypt and Great Britain is like Catholic marriage that knows no divorce." Then came 1948 and those things between the Jewish and the Arabs, the King found it an opportunity to destroy the Egyptian army and thus, Egypt's part of the 1936 treaty is not fulfilled and consequently, the British would stay. Let's look at both armies the Egyptian and the Jewish/Israeli one,
The Egyptian army was very poorly trained and had to buy weapons from black markets; they were sold World War II crap. The Egyptian army lacked war experience as the last war they involved in was in 1899 against Sudan. While the opponent; the Haganah, had the best of 2 experiences; World War I and II. So, the Egyptian army in no-way was to be able to overcome the Jewish one. But still the Egyptian army was sent to war. The whole idea was made by the king, fight under the name of "saving Palestine" and for "Arab cause" and all those stuff while it was actually to get the Egyptian army destroyed and thus, leave the British for longer and that's exactly what happened until the 1952 military revolution. The British left and the king was sent on exile. Now, I've shown the Egyptian situation and Egypt didn't really attack Israel in 1948 to annihilate it or for hate against the Jews -Egypt had Jews by the time and to this date Egyptian Jews still exist-
2nd war was in 1956. Egypt was ruled by Nasser, a brainwashed Arab nationalist and sometimes people call him the father of Arab nationalism. In my opinion, he's actually a stain.
1)Nasser sold all Egypt's gold reserves for Yemen. -What does Egypt have to do with Yemen?If Egypt is somewhere and they're somewhere???-
2) Nasser sent 1/3 of the Egyptian army to Yemen to fight the Royalists who were supported by Saudi Arabia.
I don't really know much about how 1956 came to happen but I believe -I could be wrong- was because of upsetting the British and the French. The British outraged by Nasser when he seized the Suez canal. The French, because Nasser was helping Algerians in their war of independence against them. Israel probably found Egypt as a threat to it's security. And finally, maybe Israel wanted the Sinai for whatever reasons they had...to make peace and all this stuff that I find to be non-sense.
Third war to be 1967 and because of Yemen and the incompetent military generals in control such as Abd El-Hakim Amer. When Nasser asked him if the Egyptian army can stop the Israeli advance, Amer's reply was "Don't worry" and that was it! What a stupid response! Why shouldn't he worry?What's the plan? What are the capabilities of the military? What's the proof of "don't worry"? Where are all the military details Nasser had to be informed of? and then the Egyptian army was ordered to pull back with no retreating plan. Purely incompetent military generals! And then Egypt lost the Sinai and Gaza. I personally don't care about Gaza it wasn't Egyptian territory anyways but the Sinai, it hurts when it gets lost. And then in 1970 Nasser died. Nasser had Egypt from the Mediterranean in the North to South Sudan from the South. And from the east, to Gaza. He delivered Egypt without the Sinai, Gaza and Sudan. And let history judge. That was the only leader that really wanted to destroy Israel and was full of Arab crap. Considering as I said above that Egyptians are not Arabs, they were invaded.
Finally, 1973 war to take back the Sinai and la la la ended with a peace treaty.
Okay, now it's the peace treaty. We have to know that it's quite shameful for Egyptians to have their flag in the Sinai but still they have to ask Israel for permission if they want to put some troops in the Sinai. Just asking for permission from another country to do something on Egyptian land is quite humiliating. So, my opinion, I don't support that 1979 treaty, but I do support peace with Israel if it's absolutely fair for both sides. The region has been living bloodshed for too long now. Arab or Israeli, we have to value that it's a human life being murdered. Tensions still exist because the past although over doesn't have to be forgotten.
The present, with a peace treaty between both countries, why are Israelis still experiencing hate and they have to pay double the price when they go to Egypt's Khan El-Khalili market?? Let's see a brief summary....
1) November 2000: An Egyptian citizen got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while he was collecting crops from his farm on Salah El-Deen street near the Egyptian/Israeli border.
2)April 2001: An Egyptian lady from the Barahma tribe got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while she was sitting in the backyard of her house that is close the Egyptian/Gaza border.
3)May 2001: An Egyptian soldier got wounded by Israeli gunfire while being on the border and also an Egyptian civilian got shot in his knee when he was sitting outside of his house in the Emam district in Rafah.
4)June 2001: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gun-fire on the border.
5)September 2001: An Egyptian soldier got shot in his left hip by Israeli gun-fire as a result of Israeli border security troops fighting armed Palestinians by the borders.
6)November 2001: An Egyptian policeman got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while patrolling the border.
7)December 2001: An Egyptian young-man (17 years old) was shot in the shoulder by Israeli gun-fire.
8)February 2002: An Egyptian child (5 years old) was wounded in the hip by Israeli fire (not a bullet it's something else I don't know it's name in English. It came up as Sharpnel and Fragment maybe you know what that is) while playing in the backyard of his house.
9)November 2004: 3 Egyptian soldiers were killed by an Israeli tank on the Egyptian/Gaza border.
10)December 2007: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gun-fire.
11) January 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed by Israeli gun-fire while going to work.
12)February 2008: An Egyptian child (14 years old) was killed in front of her house near the border.
13)May 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed by Israeli gun-fire -it was claimed that he tried to cross the border into Israel...but it's still shadowy and it's highly possible there have been a cover up from both sides on the incident.-
14)July 2008: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gunfire and Israel claimed that they thought he tried to cross the border and he was killed by mistake.
15)September 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed and the Israeli officials informed the Egyptian authorities that he was killed because he tried to cross the border for smuggling.
16)August 2009: The Israeli authorities informed the Egyptian authorities that they shot an Egyptian soldier by mistake as they thought he's "an enemy trying to sneak in".
17)August 2011: An Israeli helicopter invaded Egypt's airspace and killed 6 Egyptian soldiers and then the Israeli authorities claimed to be chasing smugglers.
18) August 2012: Not proven if it was done by Israel or terrorists but 16 Egyptian soldiers were killed and 7 Egyptian soldiers were wounded near the borders.
Now, I hope everyone understand the situation between Egypt and Israel. Which basically started in 1948 as a result of a conspiracy by the king against his people and he used Egyptian and Israeli blood for his desire. And after the peace treaty. Because honestly, when I look at that and look at what Israel did when Gilad Shalit was taken captive by Hamas I can easily conclude that Egyptian blood is worthless to Israel. Because tens of Egyptian soldiers to this date keep getting killed and the only thing that comes to my head is this... Benjamin Netenyahu sitting on a desk then comes a guy saying "We killed Egyptian soldiers" then Netenyahu replies angrily "JUST WRITE A DAMN APOLOGY LETTER AND SEND IT TO MY OFFICE TO SIGN IT THEN DELIVER IT TO THEM! THERE ARE OTHER MATTERS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE BLOODY ARABS!" Well, sorry but, if Egyptian blood might be cheap to you, I find no reason to blame Egyptians for their hatred towards you.
A 12 years old speaking of those issues is unusual so, I kinda thought it would be a good idea to let people know the Egyptian perspective.
First, the past,
The very early beginning of Israel in 1948. And the War of Independence, why did Egypt involve? Would it be an act of treason if Egypt didn't involve?
First, I'd like to point out that, Egyptians are not Arabs. If you look far in the history you will know that Egypt is not an Arabic country it's basically Egyptian. They're Pharaonic Africans or as called by some; just Egyptians. They had their own language, society and religion but it all changed when the Arabs attacked in the 7th century and they forced Egyptians to convert their religion, pay a penalty or be killed. I know Egypt speaks Arabic but so? Ghana speaks English as a result of British occupation, are they English? No. Senegal speaks French as a result of French occupation, are they French? No. Egypt speaks Arabic as a result of Arabic conquest, they become Arabs? So, if Egypt is not an Arabic country originally so, it can't be treason against the Arab cause because they're not Arabs. That's the second question about the treason.
Now, about 1948. Well, we have to know that by the time, Egypt was under British occupation. And it was ruled basically by a British puppet, King Farouk who is the last of the Mohamed Ali dynasty which is not Egyptian; it's Albanian. In 1936 and as a result of various revolutions and uprisings such as the 1881 revolution by Ahmed Orabi and the 1919 revolution by Sa'ad Zaghloul and various others, the British and the Egyptians signed a treaty in 1936 which basically states that the British leaves the country in 20 years. BUT, the treaty stated that the Egyptian army must be well-formed and can protect Egypt. The King, who loved the British so much as he said once in TV "The relationship between Egypt and Great Britain is like Catholic marriage that knows no divorce." Then came 1948 and those things between the Jewish and the Arabs, the King found it an opportunity to destroy the Egyptian army and thus, Egypt's part of the 1936 treaty is not fulfilled and consequently, the British would stay. Let's look at both armies the Egyptian and the Jewish/Israeli one,
The Egyptian army was very poorly trained and had to buy weapons from black markets; they were sold World War II crap. The Egyptian army lacked war experience as the last war they involved in was in 1899 against Sudan. While the opponent; the Haganah, had the best of 2 experiences; World War I and II. So, the Egyptian army in no-way was to be able to overcome the Jewish one. But still the Egyptian army was sent to war. The whole idea was made by the king, fight under the name of "saving Palestine" and for "Arab cause" and all those stuff while it was actually to get the Egyptian army destroyed and thus, leave the British for longer and that's exactly what happened until the 1952 military revolution. The British left and the king was sent on exile. Now, I've shown the Egyptian situation and Egypt didn't really attack Israel in 1948 to annihilate it or for hate against the Jews -Egypt had Jews by the time and to this date Egyptian Jews still exist-
2nd war was in 1956. Egypt was ruled by Nasser, a brainwashed Arab nationalist and sometimes people call him the father of Arab nationalism. In my opinion, he's actually a stain.
1)Nasser sold all Egypt's gold reserves for Yemen. -What does Egypt have to do with Yemen?If Egypt is somewhere and they're somewhere???-
2) Nasser sent 1/3 of the Egyptian army to Yemen to fight the Royalists who were supported by Saudi Arabia.
I don't really know much about how 1956 came to happen but I believe -I could be wrong- was because of upsetting the British and the French. The British outraged by Nasser when he seized the Suez canal. The French, because Nasser was helping Algerians in their war of independence against them. Israel probably found Egypt as a threat to it's security. And finally, maybe Israel wanted the Sinai for whatever reasons they had...to make peace and all this stuff that I find to be non-sense.
Third war to be 1967 and because of Yemen and the incompetent military generals in control such as Abd El-Hakim Amer. When Nasser asked him if the Egyptian army can stop the Israeli advance, Amer's reply was "Don't worry" and that was it! What a stupid response! Why shouldn't he worry?What's the plan? What are the capabilities of the military? What's the proof of "don't worry"? Where are all the military details Nasser had to be informed of? and then the Egyptian army was ordered to pull back with no retreating plan. Purely incompetent military generals! And then Egypt lost the Sinai and Gaza. I personally don't care about Gaza it wasn't Egyptian territory anyways but the Sinai, it hurts when it gets lost. And then in 1970 Nasser died. Nasser had Egypt from the Mediterranean in the North to South Sudan from the South. And from the east, to Gaza. He delivered Egypt without the Sinai, Gaza and Sudan. And let history judge. That was the only leader that really wanted to destroy Israel and was full of Arab crap. Considering as I said above that Egyptians are not Arabs, they were invaded.
Finally, 1973 war to take back the Sinai and la la la ended with a peace treaty.
Okay, now it's the peace treaty. We have to know that it's quite shameful for Egyptians to have their flag in the Sinai but still they have to ask Israel for permission if they want to put some troops in the Sinai. Just asking for permission from another country to do something on Egyptian land is quite humiliating. So, my opinion, I don't support that 1979 treaty, but I do support peace with Israel if it's absolutely fair for both sides. The region has been living bloodshed for too long now. Arab or Israeli, we have to value that it's a human life being murdered. Tensions still exist because the past although over doesn't have to be forgotten.
The present, with a peace treaty between both countries, why are Israelis still experiencing hate and they have to pay double the price when they go to Egypt's Khan El-Khalili market?? Let's see a brief summary....
1) November 2000: An Egyptian citizen got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while he was collecting crops from his farm on Salah El-Deen street near the Egyptian/Israeli border.
2)April 2001: An Egyptian lady from the Barahma tribe got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while she was sitting in the backyard of her house that is close the Egyptian/Gaza border.
3)May 2001: An Egyptian soldier got wounded by Israeli gunfire while being on the border and also an Egyptian civilian got shot in his knee when he was sitting outside of his house in the Emam district in Rafah.
4)June 2001: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gun-fire on the border.
5)September 2001: An Egyptian soldier got shot in his left hip by Israeli gun-fire as a result of Israeli border security troops fighting armed Palestinians by the borders.
6)November 2001: An Egyptian policeman got wounded by Israeli gun-fire while patrolling the border.
7)December 2001: An Egyptian young-man (17 years old) was shot in the shoulder by Israeli gun-fire.
8)February 2002: An Egyptian child (5 years old) was wounded in the hip by Israeli fire (not a bullet it's something else I don't know it's name in English. It came up as Sharpnel and Fragment maybe you know what that is) while playing in the backyard of his house.
9)November 2004: 3 Egyptian soldiers were killed by an Israeli tank on the Egyptian/Gaza border.
10)December 2007: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gun-fire.
11) January 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed by Israeli gun-fire while going to work.
12)February 2008: An Egyptian child (14 years old) was killed in front of her house near the border.
13)May 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed by Israeli gun-fire -it was claimed that he tried to cross the border into Israel...but it's still shadowy and it's highly possible there have been a cover up from both sides on the incident.-
14)July 2008: An Egyptian soldier was killed by Israeli gunfire and Israel claimed that they thought he tried to cross the border and he was killed by mistake.
15)September 2008: An Egyptian citizen was killed and the Israeli officials informed the Egyptian authorities that he was killed because he tried to cross the border for smuggling.
16)August 2009: The Israeli authorities informed the Egyptian authorities that they shot an Egyptian soldier by mistake as they thought he's "an enemy trying to sneak in".
17)August 2011: An Israeli helicopter invaded Egypt's airspace and killed 6 Egyptian soldiers and then the Israeli authorities claimed to be chasing smugglers.
18) August 2012: Not proven if it was done by Israel or terrorists but 16 Egyptian soldiers were killed and 7 Egyptian soldiers were wounded near the borders.
Now, I hope everyone understand the situation between Egypt and Israel. Which basically started in 1948 as a result of a conspiracy by the king against his people and he used Egyptian and Israeli blood for his desire. And after the peace treaty. Because honestly, when I look at that and look at what Israel did when Gilad Shalit was taken captive by Hamas I can easily conclude that Egyptian blood is worthless to Israel. Because tens of Egyptian soldiers to this date keep getting killed and the only thing that comes to my head is this... Benjamin Netenyahu sitting on a desk then comes a guy saying "We killed Egyptian soldiers" then Netenyahu replies angrily "JUST WRITE A DAMN APOLOGY LETTER AND SEND IT TO MY OFFICE TO SIGN IT THEN DELIVER IT TO THEM! THERE ARE OTHER MATTERS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE BLOODY ARABS!" Well, sorry but, if Egyptian blood might be cheap to you, I find no reason to blame Egyptians for their hatred towards you.
